• snoons@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    planned $499 per month subscription

    lol

    taking bets on how long it will take for this to become abandonware

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      Quick…

      I saw a story a while ago about a tech company renting out airbnbs as training environments for these types of bots

      They absolutely destroyed the houses, fine motor skills is insanely difficult, and the robots just kept breaking everything.

      The coders don’t understand how the human brain works (no one does really, but they’re especially ignorant). So they’re trying to to make one “thing” that controls everything instead of a bunch of subprocesses acting along guidance

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      I bet it never even makes it to market. Now robots will for sure, but these first ones out of the gate types rarely make it.

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    I’d love to have a robot to handle basic home maintenance tasks. Somehow, I’m not quite willing to bet $20k and $500/month on this thing being anything more than a gimmick. I’d also be really curious what happens to my $20k robot if I cancel the subscription and/or the company goes under. Do I just end up with a really expensive object lesson is poor spending decisions?

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      15 hours ago

      Pretty much. There’s basically zero chance this will not end up on the pile of products released way before they reached commercial viability.

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        Move fast and break things.

        And by “things” they mean “functionality”.

        I’d also bet on “security” being one of those things. I can’t wait to hear about the first time some kids from 4chan take control of one of these bots.

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        12 hours ago

        What, you expect to actually own something that costs you $20k? Quit obstructing their access to your bank account. Think of the shareholders!

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          I know this is a little off from your reply but seriously there are so many things that fight me for me to send them money to pay for it rather than they sucking the money from me. its like no. just no.

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            11 hours ago

            They want you to set up autopay so that you forget about it and just keep paying them forever. Similar reason that every online store wants to save your credit card info. The less friction you have to paying for something, the more likely you are to do it.

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              yeah its crazy. they want to keep your credit card and then they want to have your bank account info. its like eff off. It really annoys me because the whole bill pay thing from banks could be made much better but I feel every place is desperate to not work with it.

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      19 hours ago

      I mean they demoed this thing not that long ago and it was a disaster. So yeah, my expectations are low.

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          Just buy a VR headset and become the Indian. By the time the company goes under, you can probably get an AI good enough to handle 80% of tasks and you can just patch in on critical steps for tricky stuff.

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            If I’m teleoperating it myself, I may as well do the chores myself.

            I’m also dubious of the claim that AI will get “good enough” in the few years (at best) it takes the company to fold.

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              To an extent, except it’s less exertion.

              More realistically, that could actually be a good option for people who are physically incapable of the chore, but want to do it.

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    They’re replacing underpaid immigrant workers with underpaid overseas workers remotely controlling a crummy robot, while some rich techbro asshole in the middle skims off almost all the money. I do hope they fail with this stupid idea, but your techbro will already have made off with the money for their next startup scam.

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    Why do they keep insisting on humanoid? Just give me the crushinator to do chores for $10,000.

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      19 hours ago

      Because a humanoid robot can theoretically do all the things humans can do, using appliances designed for humans to operate.

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        I felt like robo simian made sense for versatility. I can see some thing that is more like a carbon atom so it can naturally tripod but can go to 2 or even one limb as base and have more grasping limbs.

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          “Non-humanoids” is an incredibly broad description. For example, a Roomba can’t empty your dishwasher. But a humanoid robot can use your existing human vacuum to clean the floors.

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            Yes that’s the whole point. They’re forcibly thinking in humanoid forms, while I dont care about form, I care about function. Make shit that’s useful, and I dont care what package it comes in. In the vast majority of use cases it’s incredibly cumbersome to have it in bipedal form; you to have reserve cpu power/mechanics/power for balance and shit, while not at all necessary for the tasks at hand.

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              16 hours ago

              Yes that’s the whole point

              …what? Is your point?

              I dont care about form, I care about function

              They are largely the same in this case.

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                You said non-humanoid is a broad description like it’s a negative. It’s not. Fixating on making the robot humanoid unnecessarily narrows it down. Form and function are by definition not the same, so I don’t understand what you mean by that. But I’m got going to stop because it seems.you’re intentionally obtuse.

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                  You said non-humanoid is a broad description like it’s a negative.

                  No, I said it like it’s a meaningless phrase.

                  Fixating on making the robot humanoid unnecessarily narrows it down.

                  Its not a fixation. Its simple logic that I’ve already explained. Everything we own is designed to be used by humans, so creating a humanoid robot makes them extremely versatile.

                  Form and function are by definition not the same

                  That’s not correct at all. Function is very largely tied to form, especially in the case of robotics.

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      Nah, not bullshit. Just doesn’t do them without remote human control. That falls under “features to he introduced at a later date.”

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    It’s amazing, they can make a 20k humanoid but it’s impossible to make a 20k EV car.

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    I suppose for a large house, $500/mo. is what one would pay for maid service.

    I don’t believe one robot can effectively clean piss from the corner behind the toilet, AND do laundry, AND clean windows, AND dust, AND clean a shower head, AND clean a refrigerator, etc., etc.

    Imagine a robot collecting everything out of a fridge onto a counter, removing the glass shelves, cleaning them, cleaning the inside of the fridge, and then putting everything back without breaking anything, and doing it in 30 minutes. Not happening. Even if it were done completely by remote control, I don’t think it could do it.

    These things are not anywhere close to a replacement for a human, but they’ll keep pushing it.

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      $500 sounds about right for weekly maid service. That means the base price of the robot not including subscription fees, power, repairs, etc. would get you ~3 years of maid service. If the subscription is an extra $500/mo, that’s more than 6 years of maid service.

      If your maid service goes out of business, you just find a new one. What are the odds this company will still be around in 3 years? 6 years? Not a wager I’d be willing to make.

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    They have been saying this since the 1990s, Rocky had a robot maid. Useless unless you just want something that kills anything that moves, which would be pretty cool I guess.