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My predictions for this fall and beyond:
1: someone is going to win
2: the supporters of the other side are going to throw a hissy fit
3: China moves on Taiwan
4: US gets involved in asia, and russia tries to expand its influence only to be kicked in the balls by the EU or some part of it, possibly followed by a war between liberal western Europe and the conservative eastern Europe, Israel does whatever tf they want to the middle east
5: tens of millions of people die
6: US and China both end up breaking down under the weight of the logistically impossible war
7: both countries have a revolution and a regime change
7a: US ends with some sort of protofascist clusterfuck of a democratic dictatorship
7b: China either ends up with another authoritarian dictatorship but claiming to be something like the empires of old or a democratically elected republic that is rife with corruption from the start
Bonus: sometime somewhere russia maybe tries to take alaska but gets mauled by a polar bear with a 50 cal pistol
I hope I’m wrong, and if you think that I am, lmk why
You got some right, but some clearly wrong IMO 😊
I don’t think revolutions are any more likely to be fascist than socialist, historically though genuine socialist revolutions tend to lose, mostly because international capitalism can play very nicely with fascism, but not socialism.
However if the U.S underwent genuine socialist revolutions, it’s an entirely different ballgame. The U.S has been the capitalist hand on the global stage for the better part of a century, constantly involved in overthrowing democratically elected governments in favor of fascist dictatorships.
With that constant capitalistic/fascistic pressure gone, and better-yet replaced with genuine socialism, you’d get a very interesting situation. You’d have genuine socialism in the U.S (probably followed by at least some socialist revolution or socialist-inspired reforms in Europe), and then rhetorical socialism in the east, marred by material capitalism. The contradictions of the global stage would intensify, and I don’t think there’s any Chinese theory for development in an internationally socialist stage.
By conservative eastern Europe you mean russia/belarus?
Russia and Belarus aren’t conservative, they are a weird crony fascism, when i say conservative I mean catholic neotheocracy (like Hungary)
No, i mean Poland, Hungary, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia, and Romania, if there was a war in Europe between Eastern and Western Europe, Belarus and Russia would already have been defeated
With a more representative electoral system such as (but not limited to) Ranked Choice voting, people would be free to vote for who best represents them while still counting their vote against those they don’t want in office.
First Past the post voting makes two political parties a inevitability. It’s just math yall. Let’s fix it together, one state at a time. No need to wait for federal reform. No need to wait to wait till Republicans stop existing. Now.
Y’all keep saying that and then turning out at an underperformance of your share of the national population, nevermind the easy dominating share you could have in the party if y’all would fucking vote!
Like seriously, Bernie would have been the nominee both times if y’all would have stopped talking about how you’re the base and actually acted as a party base!
Okay tbf they’re both a core democratic constituency and criminally underperforming. Young voters where a major factor in Hillary’s failure in 2016 and Biden’s success in 2020. And now they’ll be a major factor in his failure in 2024.
Some of these campuses are important for purple states. The youth vote in California isn’t horribly important. But the youth vote in Virginia is both important and extant.
Biden got Israel to agree to a ceasefire and Hamas refused. But sure, this is Biden’s fault.
Here comes the genocide defenders.
Even worse are the genocide apologists IMO.
Imagine understanding that both candidates are and will commit genocide and sweating online about your choice. There is no direct action, there is no private sector, there is only the ballot and there is death.
To these liberal genocide apolgists: Please, evolve from an electoral wonk to an NGO volunteer already.
Biden didn’t ask Trump to sell National Security secrets to the Russians.
Biden didn’t ask Putin to trade those secrets to Iran.
Biden didn’t ask Iran to use said secrets and launch an attack on Israel to start a war that the U.S. would be forced to support in order to take away resources and attention from Putin’s war in Ukraine.
But Biden IS a Zionist.
You can criticize him for his support of Palestinian genocide, and rightly so. But you would be sadly mistaken if you withhold your vote for Biden and allow a Trump Presidency, who would not only continue the Palestinian genocide, but allow a Ukrainian one and a Taiwanese one as well… And perhaps fully and finally bring Totalitarianism to the U.S. since why not, he made it so close on January 6th anyways.
“Don’t mind what we do because the other guy is scarier”
That sham will work up to a point.
Tell me more about why I should vote for whoever is controlling that senile figurehead.
People can still leverage him to stop supporting Israel’s genocide in Palestine. He just has to stop sending the aid and he will have a cakewalk to a second term.
Why are you so opposed to people participating in democracy?
There are a lot of people who are in favour of sending aid to Israel as well. Biden can’t afford to piss off either group too much. But he does know that if Trump gets elected, one of those groups gets the opposite of what they want. So he’s naturally banking on that group of people still picking him over the alternative.
Which Iranian attack is this that’s supposed to have started a war to drag in the US? Their most recent attack on Israeli targets was in response to Israel attacking them in a third country, and Israel has been trying to provoke them into a response that would kick off a war the US would get involved with to draw attention from their ongoing genocide in Gaza.
The attacks by Iranian backed Hamas against Israel. Sources:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/israel-hamas/2024/01/30/iran-backed-groups-middle-east/72405584007/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_support_for_Hamas
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-10-23/h_8c4e2392d4398a8af723e09392db4494
Disclaimer: I’m not stating support for one group or another, but the truth is necessary for a good opinion and discussion .
If you’re going to say Hamas’ attack was an attempt to draw the US into a war, I think that falls a bit flat. When was the last time the US did anything beyond provide the same sort of aid it currently gives Israel? Especially in light of Iran not giving into Israel’s provocation to attempt kick up a regional conflict that would draw the US in, I think this accusations is lacking.
If they wanted to draw the US into the conflict, why would they just push for one large attack and then just let Israel steamroll Palestinian territories while demonstrating they can get on with things just fine without the US doing anything but provide the same sort of weapons aid they always have? Why not take the bait with the most recent provocation?
Besides, even Israeli publications admit that it has been Israeli policy to prop up Hamas, so this smacks even more of propaganda efforts to distract from Israel’s culpability in creating this situation.
Yes, Iran has provided backing to many of these sorts of groups, but they’re hardly unique in this in the region. Why is trying to kick up a regional conflict when Iran does this, but Israel gets a pass on buying oil from ISIS and aggravating the situation there? Heck, Israel’s past actions in Lebanon helped kick off the founding of Hezbollah when they overstepped what they could get away with under the pretense of chasing Palestinian forces over the border.
The truth is necessary to arrive at a sound opinion, and Iran are no angels, but there’s far too much handwaving away of Israel’s role in creating the current situation while demonizing Iran with exaggerated capabilities.
“I agree. He supports genocide. You should vote for him.”
You are the problem.
You’re conflating voting for someone with “agreeing with” them.
That’s not how democracy works.
You don’t “not vote” for all the candidates you don’t agree with. You do vote for the one that most closely aligns with your values. If you fail to do so, you’ll get the candidate who does not align with your values at all.
Democracy is you voting for my guy OR ELSE!!! /$
Ranked choice voting exists. There is a better way. Try to think outside the box buddy.
What other option that actually has a chance of winning is there? Last I saw, it was either going to be Biden or Trump on the ballot come November. So do you support genocide that can be curbed, or do you support full throated fascistic genocide?
And remember, inaction is a choice, and that choice inevitably favors the republican candidate. So again, which do you choose? Can you justify not playing electoral politics when we end up with that fucking fascist asshole back in the whitehouse? Cuz I’m sure Israel is gonna turn it up to 11 once they know they’ve got full cover from Donald “Stop releasing footage of you murdering people, this is really bad optics” Trump.
What makes you think a vote for Biden is voting for genocide that “can be curbed”?
Every statement and action from the Biden admin, even the meme we are commenting on, shows that Biden is unwilling to curb the genocide.
When the options are fascism and genocide or fascism and genocide there is no “winning”.
You abstain and don’t contribute to the ethos of either agenda.
FTFY. One party doesn’t want you to vote because you’re likely more against them than the other option.
Voter suppression is the right’s bread and butter, don’t be naive and think you’re not doing exactly what they want by staying home.
They can want it all they want. I don’t give a fuck. It’s shameful that the DEMOCRAT PARTY is giving them what they want, that’s not on me.
I care about what I want.
I want my President, the President representing the party I used to affiliate with, to not be a genocidal maniac who expands spying on his citizens. Who doesn’t restrict their free speech under the guise of national security when it is clear that it is all about money. Who does ANYTHING to combat homelessness, outrageously priced increasingly unattainable healthcare, skyrocketing inflation, the death of direct home ownership instead of just going “Everything is fine. Bidenomics. Catchy, huh?”
I could keep going on.
Biden is a shitbag human being unfit for the office. And I can count on my fingers with plenty left to spare how many Democrat politicians as a whole aren’t just as bad or worse.
Again, it is not on me that the Democrat party disenfranchised me and became a fascist carbon copy of early 2000s Republicans that I can not in good conscience cast a vote for. That is on the Democrat party.
I refuse to reward the Democrat parties absolutely abhorrent behavior over the past 2 years with a vote.
Nuanced thinking is the problem? Nope. Black and white thinking is the problem. Like the black and white thinking you are displaying here, by refusing to parse any policy decisions beyond “he supports genocide”. If you can’t distinguish between the greater and the lesser evil you’ll end up inadvertently supporting the greater evil.
I think the point these people are making here is that they’d like to not support evil at all and “but the other guy is worse” is the entirety of the fucking problem. Your mentality ensures this continues. You perpetuate this shit.
But the thing is saying “Joe Biden is committing genocide” actively harms your own aims of electing Joe Biden, regardless of whatever your argument is.
So the only rational decision is to stfu about it or start doing genocide apology or denial.
Or you can have a moral spine I guess.
Trump tells Israel to “finish the job” in gaza, while Russian operatives try to convince you Biden is the worse choice
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
I’m against what Israel is doing in Gaza but some small % of protestors are getting legitimately anti-Semetic, but starting to be very aggressive about it in an uncomfortable way, especially with larger authoritarianism at play in the culture.
I appreciate the president calling that type of shit out personally.
They start to infiltrate the protest and aren’t asked to leave or tone it down. It’s not a good look.
Biden isn’t the one sending storm troopers onto UT Austin’s campus to crush pro-Palestinian protests, that would be the Republicans, remember on election day that both sides are absolutely not the same, and Trump sure as fuck does not care about Gaza or Palestine, or even Israel really if we’re being honest here. (Well or anything else but himself)
Your right, let me just pull up the White House press release where Biden sympathizes with the protestors cause:
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Hmm, not finding one. Wait, I’m sure there is an official Whitehouse press statement condemning the anti-free speech crackdowns like in Austin:
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Oh shit, looks like Biden said dickall about that too. So what did Biden say?
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/23/biden-camp-political-fallout-campus-protests-00154000
The reason is pretty straightforward : Biden is a zionist who doesn’t give an actual fuck about Gaza. He is worried though that it’s hurting him in Michigan. But according to the Biden campaign, young people don’t actually care about the genocide in Gaza so he’s free to ignore it because they’ll still vote for him either way.
Barack Obama rode a wave of backlash to the Iraq War to the dem nomination and then the Whitehouse, largely powered by anti-war college students who not only votes for him, but did the hard work of organizing and volunteering. I know, I was there on the ground. Today’s young people grew up with politicians doing dick all about school shootings they had to live with, doing shit about climate change that they will have to deal with, and now they have genocide being committed in their names. They are pissed. Maybe they mostly will still vote for Biden out of fear of Trump, but your not going to see them organizing and pounding the pavement for Biden. Especially after Biden just dismissed their legitimate concerns and labeled them all antisemetic.
God this is such a mask off moment. Yes Mr. Biden Campaign official, those protests where people are being arrested and still showing up to protest are all fake. No need to worry about that at all…
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ya but what about TikTok. That’s the real problem, right?
They’re just mad because TikTok is making their kids leftists.
Doesn’t it have bipartisan support?
Yes. Neither US party is leftist.
Republicans and centrists alike hate progressives and leftists.
Yeah, Trump is going to be much better on dealing with genocide, but wait I’m just a Biden shill impacted by TDS, it’s the system we live under and it won’t change from the top, encourage ranked choice voting at the local level
Trump said he doesn’t give a shit about that war. Just glass the area and be done with it.
Why doesn’t Biden just stop the genocide? Is he stupid?
Unless this is sarcasm, please get real. I can’t believe how many people actually think POTUS is some kind of emperor of the world who just has to decree what they want and the other countries’ leaders obey. You think he just has to tell Netanyahu “Stop” and he stops? Surely you’re not that naive.
Man you (either intentionally or unintentionally) underestimate just how much the POTUS can order Israel around. Reagan did it, Bush did it, hell even Biden did it. It’s not rocket science.
Bro, why you telling people to get real on the shitpost community…
It’s not naive to learn from history, like when Reagan told Israel to stop their assault on Lebanon and Israel stopped in less than 24 hours.
Or when HW Bush called up Israel and ended that conflict overnight.
But maybe you’re right, maybe Netanyahu is too entrenched to stop this time. Biden can still stop sending the bombs. He can stop sending the money. He can stop vetoing UN peace resolutions. He could tell his press office to stop running cover for Israel. He could stop bringing up the “40 beheaded babies” lie.
He could do so much to stop this genocide, yet he refuses.
Maybe we need a strong progressive president who will hold Isreal accountable, like Ronald Reagan
wtf? Progressive?!!!?! Reagan?!??!?!!? am I living in the Bizarro World now? Does no one know any history any more? It wasn’t even that long ago that Reagan and Thatcher ruined the world. Please educate yourself. Reagan busted the unions, deregulated industry, massively slashed taxes on the wealthy, and ushered in the era of escalating income inequality that continues to this day and destroyed the middle class (it was a thing we had for a brief period after WWI up until Reaganomics).
If you think Regan was some great president because of that oversimplified account you copy/pasted about an incident with Israel then you’d better rethink how you come to conclusions about shit. Educate yourself – and rethink your conclusions about Biden while you’re at it. Life is more complicated than your propaganda sources would have you believe.
Here’s a couple links about your hero Reagan.
https://time.com/6334291/racial-wealth-gap-reagan-history/
https://www.salon.com/2014/04/19/reaganomics_killed_americas_middle_class_partner/
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Cutting off supplies to Israel wouldn’t stop the genocide immediately, but it wouldn’t take long
Jewish businesses and people are the biggest donors to election campaigns. They own the politicians. That’s not an accident by the way, after the war they needed a way to protect themselfs so they started sponsoring the american war machine through politics. The problem is that the same gun that you buy to protect yourself can be used to harm others and, as we know “gUnS dOn’T ShOoT pEopLe”… but they do in this case
Uh… You’re thinking of AIPAC.
And this is why we can’t have nice things!
Every fucking time we try to have a discussion about israeli crimes some fuckwad comes in with their conspiracy theory bullshit and spoils the punch for everyone else.
You’re what allows the apologists to keep calling us all antisemites fuckass.
Convenient innit
He’s doesn’t unilaterally have the power to stop it. I agree we should stop military support under current conditions, but Biden isn’t Israel…this isn’t a US War. Its amazingly short-sided to blame Biden for this to the point of helping Trumps reelection chances.
Uh… He literally does. Fucking Reagan did it before.
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You tell me
he’s an evil zionist
Regardless i prefer Biden over trump and i will still vote for him. However, I’ll make my voice much louder the second term
Your vote is the only voice that matters
I’m not voting for either. They both suck
Not voting is a choice that inherently favors republicans due to how consistent they tend to vote. So vote or not, you’re still supporting one candidate or another.
You can’t scare people into supporting something they find abhorrent this time. This rhetoric is not going to work. We are talking about a fucking genocide my dude. You’re delusional if you think “but pussygrabber” is going to motivate principled people.
That would imply the p7ssygrabber would stop the genocide. He wont. He will accelerate it.
Active support of something totally morally unacceptable seems more morally culpable than refusing to participate. I don’t think most people are consequentialists—the how matters.
Emotionally yes, mathematically, no, exactly the same, and so morally, exactly the same
You don’t think one sucks even a little less?
I’m proud to count myself amongst the people who didn’t vote for Biden in the primary. Now I only have to vote for him once.
Nobody even brought up Trump, but you.
That is what is so infuriating to me is that nobody is allowed to criticize Biden at all without Trump being brought up.
That’s because Biden’s entire pitch is “I’m not Trump”. Nobody actually likes him or wants him to be president, they’re just stuck with bad choices in front of them. So you talk about the merits of Biden, that’s the only one you’re going to get, because that’s all he’s got. And in the face of a genocide, people can’t stomach it.
I’d like to bring up - a switch in democratic systems of representatives to on called “Open List Proportional Representation” where parties are represented in a proportional mix per the votes they actually won.
Germany, Scotland, and Japan use such systems. I think it’s a better system but it will probably take a loaded Supreme court and a concerted effort to get through.
Yeah, because its unfortunately a choice between those two at this point. Until Biden is re-elected, it will be a constant reminder that its him or a fascist criminal that led an insurrection, even if a particular criticism is valid. This criticism is shit btw, antisemitism is happening and should be called out.
It’s an election year, Biden being brought up will invoke his competitions name. And people are absolutely using just this topic as a reason to not vote this cycle. They only hurt themselves and everyone else.
You go into the Trump circles. Pinch your nose and go see. Their pitch isn’t “he isn’t biden” or “vote for Trump or you’re picking Biden.” They actively like him and want him to be president, whether we disagree with that or not thems the facts. People aren’t bringing up Trump because he’s Biden’s opposition, people are bringing up Trump because that’s what the election is about. Biden’s whole reason for viability is that he is running against Trump, that’s it, that’s all, that’s his campaign slogan and platform. “I’m not Trump”. People can stomach that when his public persona is “Barack Obama’s VP”, not so much when it’s “he gave Israel money to fund genocide.”
You act like Biden can literally not capitulate on this. Why does the voice of the voter no longer matter?
I dont like this trend of demanding votes without having to earn voters. We are creating a culture of zero accountability to the voters.
Half the people upvoting you are exactly who Adams was making sub of. Of course you and I know that, but these people are dense.
At this point I think we deserve our clusterfuck of a system. Conservatives and neoliberals have really made a mess of it all. One is malicious and the other is inadvertently enabling.