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Cake day: December 28th, 2023

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  • But seriously why are people using smart appliances? I’ve yet to see one that’s actually good.

    If I’m being honest, I totally understand the appeal, in concept. Like, it would be nice for my washer/dryer/food machine to be able to ping me when it’s done or let me see certain stats/metrics/maintenance things remotely.

    But corpo “smart” devices are rarely giving you much useful info while also trying you to corpo cloud services that can disappear over night, harvests all kinds of data, forces shitty “features” on you, shows ads or even locks you out entirely if it can’t talk to the mother ship (because fuck you, that’s the manufacturer’s device, peasant scum!), there’s no reason to use them.

    I have a handful of ‘smart’ features in my house, but it’s all local only and uses home assistant because I’m not going to let some corpo scum update some TOS and decide I can’t use my goddamned hardware anymore.








  • no we don’i. Just like with any other alive being, we can only assume, based on what that alive being is communicating, and our personal perception of reality and experience. A human can be hurt, but we won’t know, as long as they won’t communicate. Everything else is an assumption.

    Yes, we do. We can easily see how they respond to stimuli; they cry out in pain when wounded, show fear reactions when presented with dangerous stimuli, and show signs of grief and loss when another animal/person dies.

    Like, this isn’t up for debate by some random nobody on the Internet, there’s scientific evidence of that fact.

    Therefore, this concept is often excluded in definitions of pain in animals, such as that provided by Zimmerman: “an aversive sensory experience caused by actual or potential injury that elicits protective motor and vegetative reactions, results in learned avoidance and may modify species-specific behaviour, including social behaviour.”[4] Nonhuman animals cannot report their feelings to language-using humans in the same manner as human communication, but observation of their behaviour provides a reasonable indication as to the extent of their pain. Just as with doctors and medics who sometimes share no common language with their patients, the indicators of pain can still be understood.

    Pain in animals

    I’m not even going to bother with the rest of your comment considering how far off base you are here.



  • Another problem is that farm animals don’t talk much about their feelings, ro we can’t really know if we’re actually harming them, thus we can’t say whether we’re helping them by stopping the process.

    Pure cope. We know how badly animals are hurt by factory farming methods, and there isn’t a non-factory method that I’m aware of that can meet the demand for meat.

    But that raises another question: “how one would know if they’re happy, if they never experienced happiness?”

    How do I know you’ve ever been happy? I’ve never seen it, so I can assume you haven’t, right? (This is how nonsensical your argument sounds. We can see farm animals get excited about things the experience, like happy cows skipping to their field)