Star Wars fans when they realize the movies were based on the Vietnam war, and the empire was America.
What is this campist shit.
This is as shallow as “girls are dumb”.
Sir, this is a shitpost community.
I regret to inform you, that this is the leftymemes community.
I know. Been here long enough to start caring about calling out campist BS.
Oh sorry. So removing all mention of nuance from my previous comment, and adding a bit about tankies, because we can’t have shitposting without mentioning tankies:
What is this tankie campist shit?
I prefer tankards
Watching liberals find out they’re not actually leftists is my favourite part of this community tbh. Bless your heart dear.
I can’t hear you over the sound of tank treads crushing grassroots working class organizing.
Unironically why I give a political damn. This movie was formative for my political alignment, right from my childhood.
Some of us actually got the message.
The last group of rebels we had in the US where scum.
The weather underground weren’t great, but ‘scum’ seems a little harsh.
Edit: wait, were the panthers after them? Because the panthers were awesome, and if you want to assert they are scum, the world is probably better off without you.
I assumed they meant the confederates from the US civil war, but I have no idea who’s sincere and who’s taking the piss online sometimes.
Yeah there’s been no history since the mid 1800s and nothing counts unless a white supremacist does it. It’s a pretty common view of history.
Are you interested in deciphering what they meant or in maximizing correctness?
Its genuinely a position lots of people holy uncritically. I don’t respect it or the
peopleentities that hold it
We lost a lot of good men on the death star. Did you guys know I was supposed to be on it, but I missed my transport. I should have died that day.
In the original Star Wars, the Empire was based on the American empire and the rebellion was based on the Vietcong according to George Lucas.
Say hi to Xi for us!
Kind of ironic that the Star Wars franchise became worse during the time the US became even more like the Empire.
Andor S2 was good though.
I’d argue that it hasn’t been truly good until Andor.
Every single time?
Name one major American rebellion that wasn’t the Boston Tea Party or the Civil War. And in said rebellion, depict how Americans acted in any way like this stupid meme.
Lastly, Star Ware was most certainly NOT based on the Vietnam War. Lucas himself said it was mostly based on the mythology of the Hero’s Journey, WWII where the Axis was the inspiration for The Empire, biblical events, Ancient Rome, and the American Revolution- depicting the rebels as being the Americans fighting off the brits.
You people really need to stop recreating reality and adjust your world view accordingly.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2005/05/18/star-wars-inadvertently-hits-too-close-to-uss-role/
Lucas, you see, originally conceived “Star Wars” while many Americans were questioning leadership during Richard Nixon’s presidency. “It was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships?” Lucas said at his Skywalker Ranch earlier this month. “Because the democracies aren’t overthrown; they’re given away.”
How neat! An article where Lucas admitted there are parallels, yet were entirely coincidental!
January 6 bitch.
J6. Was a sitting president clinging on to power after he lost an election. Not a rebellion.
Man I can’t keep the narrative straight, are western countries supposed to be responsible for most of the rebellions in the world or are they supposed to be opposed to rebellions?
Yeah, some people on the internet like to oversimplify and I get how your impression arises that those people bend the narrative how they like it.
On the other hand, it’s pretty well-documented that
- western governments work with authoritarian leaders when they’re not hostile to western corporate interests (see, e.g. Saudi Arabia)
- western governments fund opposition groups no matter if they’re democratic or not as long as they can expect an outcome that’s better for their corporations’ interests (see, e.g. the guy that leads the current Syrian government; see also the royalist opposition in Iran [mostly in exile])
Also left-wing opposition inside western states is often demonized although we have similar aims as some highly-praised opposition movements in other countries.
The problem here is only blaming western governments, this is a problem of all governments and why we need to work towards a stateless system.
It’s still needlessly oversimplifying to imply that all or only western governments work with authoritarian leaders who are friendly to their interests, for example. There’s plenty of non-western countries happy to spread bloodshed and tyranny, and there’s plenty of western countries that oppose it.
needlessly oversimplifying to imply that all or only western governments work with authoritarian leaders
What else do you call it when a multi-trillion dollar corporate enterprise sells surveillance data to every racist sheriff’s office and royal secret police and aspiring military dictator from South Dakota to Siam?
I wish we were oversimplifying things.
ah yes, the most nuanced of political takes: the west is the devil and the cause of all evil.
how is this take any different than the u.s. propoganda that would say very similar shit about communism. it’s all the same team sports bullshit. politics is way more complicated than that. there is no great boogeyman that you can point a finger at as “the bad guy”.
every problem is more nuanced than side vs side. anyone that tells you otherwise is just being divisive and wants to push you to hate. not to support their ideas and solutions. you’ll notice that takes like this never offer a solution or a goal other than blame. it’s OK to just ignore the finger pointers. they never accomplish anything and are usually pushing hate.
so basically, bring anything other than hate and blame and I’ll listen. otherwise fuck off with your propoganda.
how is this take any different than the u.s. propoganda that would say very similar shit about communism.
It’s true, that’s how it’s different. There’s nothing “complicated” about how Britain installed the Shah in Iran or America helped Saddam wage a war with Iran that killed half a million people. Some things are just fucking evil.
there is no great boogeyman that you can point a finger at as “the bad guy”.
Well, there is no boogeyMAN but there is boogeyCLASS and they are the billionaire/trillionaire class
and even then the problem isn’t the individuals so much as the systems that allow them to accumulate wealth.
Being a liberal must be so confusing
Can’t be more confusing than keeping track of the myriad different realities you all have to create in otherwise to cook those edgy memes!
According to them, Lando did nothing wrong.
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/26/1159580425/newspapers-have-dropped-the-dilbert-comic-strip-after-a-racist-rant-by-its-creat
dogbert is not a real leftist, he’s alt-right pretending to be a tankiewait, you saying @dogbert@lemmy.zip is this Scott Adams‽
no, i mean if he’s naming himself after Scott Adam’s comic, who’s a racist and alt-right-winger, then he’s definitely not the tankie he’s pretending to be….
but also just about all tankies are faking it and that’s why you only see them online.dogbert≠dilbert.
But we can agree Americans love Nazis.This is giving “the Nazis are socialist! It says so in the name!”. The liberal mind truly is an infantile and confused beast.
Pretty sure @ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a comrade. Both of you calm down. I just think ozymandias needs lenses. Somehow rad misread your name as
dilberti hate liberals more than you do, nazi
Ah, namecalling instead of addressing the criticism of your meme.
Han Solo was a Tankie
You misspelled Saw Gerrera.
Americans when they don’t realize most of the West isn’t American, don’t speak English, and don’t generally oppose rebellion against oppressors. Ireland, for example.
C’mon you can’t bring up Ireland as representative of the West when they’re the OG colony. By that metric the West is anti-Zionist.
Sure add: Greece. Portugal. Italy. France. Spain. Armed antifascist struggles, may 68, general strikes, civil wars, guerilla groups, etc.
Like the reductiveness of “West bad” is so insanely naive that it hurts.
Unfortunately ireland is the exception not the rule and even they have their faults
Thank you!
When you’re Princess Leia, without the Princess status, and Landos betrayed me thrice in America.
