Star Wars fans when they realize the movies were based on the Vietnam war, and the empire was America.

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    Man I can’t keep the narrative straight, are western countries supposed to be responsible for most of the rebellions in the world or are they supposed to be opposed to rebellions?

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      Yeah, some people on the internet like to oversimplify and I get how your impression arises that those people bend the narrative how they like it.

      On the other hand, it’s pretty well-documented that

      • western governments work with authoritarian leaders when they’re not hostile to western corporate interests (see, e.g. Saudi Arabia)
      • western governments fund opposition groups no matter if they’re democratic or not as long as they can expect an outcome that’s better for their corporations’ interests (see, e.g. the guy that leads the current Syrian government; see also the royalist opposition in Iran [mostly in exile])

      Also left-wing opposition inside western states is often demonized although we have similar aims as some highly-praised opposition movements in other countries.

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        The problem here is only blaming western governments, this is a problem of all governments and why we need to work towards a stateless system.

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        It’s still needlessly oversimplifying to imply that all or only western governments work with authoritarian leaders who are friendly to their interests, for example. There’s plenty of non-western countries happy to spread bloodshed and tyranny, and there’s plenty of western countries that oppose it.

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          needlessly oversimplifying to imply that all or only western governments work with authoritarian leaders

          What else do you call it when a multi-trillion dollar corporate enterprise sells surveillance data to every racist sheriff’s office and royal secret police and aspiring military dictator from South Dakota to Siam?

          I wish we were oversimplifying things.

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        ah yes, the most nuanced of political takes: the west is the devil and the cause of all evil.

        how is this take any different than the u.s. propoganda that would say very similar shit about communism. it’s all the same team sports bullshit. politics is way more complicated than that. there is no great boogeyman that you can point a finger at as “the bad guy”.

        every problem is more nuanced than side vs side. anyone that tells you otherwise is just being divisive and wants to push you to hate. not to support their ideas and solutions. you’ll notice that takes like this never offer a solution or a goal other than blame. it’s OK to just ignore the finger pointers. they never accomplish anything and are usually pushing hate.

        so basically, bring anything other than hate and blame and I’ll listen. otherwise fuck off with your propoganda.

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          how is this take any different than the u.s. propoganda that would say very similar shit about communism.

          It’s true, that’s how it’s different. There’s nothing “complicated” about how Britain installed the Shah in Iran or America helped Saddam wage a war with Iran that killed half a million people. Some things are just fucking evil.

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          there is no great boogeyman that you can point a finger at as “the bad guy”.

          Well, there is no boogeyMAN but there is boogeyCLASS and they are the billionaire/trillionaire class

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            and even then the problem isn’t the individuals so much as the systems that allow them to accumulate wealth.