It will really be a joy to see Americans decide more and more countries are imperialist, as their sanctions work on fewer of them. Five years ago, a glorified gas station. Now, a great power. You guys are great at playing the victim.
Damn, a lot of “don’t you mean all lives matter?” energy in these comments.
I always make it a point to NEVER utter the words “thank you for your service” to these so called “heroes”. However, I do say this to people who have actually earned this phrase, such as teachers, nurses, etc.
How is this “westoid” logic? As if no other country does this kind of bullshit.
We only have a chance at peace when ALL soldiers refuse to invade foreign lands.
As if no other country does this kind of bullshit.
Most countries can’t conceive of operating at the scale of the US. And a great deal of that military surplus is derived from wealth and labor looted overseas.
You’re stacking up Jeffrey Dalmar against the Enola Gay.
not every other country is the usa, and not every other country is meddling in every world situation and creating world situations.
sit the fuck down redwhiteandblue underwear, this comment wont hurt you.
Ahem take a look at Russia right now ahem. Or Israel, or China…
Has China been bombing people recently?
2 questions bombing only specifically, and what do you consider recent? Do the Uyghurs count? Tibet? All the shit they pull in the South China sea? Korea? Vietnam? Shit they might be bombing Taiwan soon.
And maybe not only foreign lands, but also their own ones.
The point of the Latuff cartoon is valid, I just really dislike the smell of the word “westoid”.
The term smacks of eating just as much propaganda as the people that they’re complaining about.
“Our Glorious Eastern Soldiers”
“Their heathen rapist genocidal evil brutish westoids”
The message is good, the title is needlessly inflammatory, as if ANY major country has clean hands.
Russia is leveling cities in self defense I swear.
because god forbid we point out the crimes of the west without going “but these orientals are still bad tho!!!”
Lol, claiming that Russia is oriental is pretty wild. That is just about as accurate as saying America is Indian.
Russia is a western nation that brutally colonized its eastern territory. This doesnt make them Asian, just like European colonization of America doesnt make it native American.
There’s actually a long history of Russia being orientalized due to orthodox christianity. Their culture is othered and generalized through this lense. Do look into it, it is an interesting subject if you like that sort of thing.
Oh boy, you’re gonna be pissed when you find out the continent Russia is located in…
It’s both, so what’s your point?
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Russia,[b] or the Russian Federation,[c] is a country in Eastern Europe and North Asia. It is the largest country in the world, spanning eleven time zones and sharing land borders with fourteen countries.[d] With a population of over 140 million, Russia is the most populous country in Europe and the ninth-most populous country in the world.
How can you be so confident, and yet so wrong about everything?
Ahh… So when a white person lives in Asia they are oriental?
Yes. Oriental has nothing to do with race, and you would know that if you had spent 3 seconds googling before you made this snarky statement.
The term oriental is often used to describe objects and (in a derogative manner) people coming from the Orient/eastern Asia.
The term Oriental may sound dated or even be seen as a pejorative, particularly when used as a noun.[20] John Kuo Wei Tchen, director of the Asian/Pacific/American Studies Program and Institute at New York University, said the basic criticism of the term began in the U.S. during a cultural shift in the 1970s. He has said: “With the U.S.A. anti-war movement in the '60s and early '70s, many Asian Americans identified the term ‘Oriental’ with a Western process of racializing Asians as forever opposite ‘others’”,[21] by making a distinction between “Western” and “Eastern” ancestral origins.
Saying something is from the orient means its from Asia… Calling a person or a group of people like an army oriental is saying they are Asian.
Read your own source… Or just use common sense?
When have you ever heard of a European living in Europe being referred to as oriental?
Russia is in Asia…
Americans really not beating the illiteracy allegations 🤣
Lol, the irony is neither of you even read the source…
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Oriental = Asian to you I guess.
Americans really not beating those illiteracy allegations.
Lol…I would have deleted that too…
Don’t be chiding other people when you literally just used the word oriental without bothering to check what it actually meant.
Yes, but whenever someone hints that an “eastern” country might not be the best, whataboutisms fly out everyone’s collective asses.
If it’s okay to criticize one way, it should be okay to criticize (when appropriately applicable) the opposing way.
You, and most of the comments here, are literally whatabouting out of your collective asses because you heard a hint of critism of western countries.
You do see the fucking irony here, right?
I do, but apparently pointing it out gets me down votes.
You didn’t point it out though
“I was just following orders” is what all the Nazis said.
I yearn for the day that American soldiers are put on trial and hanged for their crimes against humanity.
The US has given itself permission to invade the Hague before allowing that to happen.
Ooh, ooh, can we start with the Commander in Chief? Why did the assassins have to miss 😥
I believe that should not be a valid defense, ever.
If you’re not OK with what you’re ordered to do, you should not do it (and we should have a system of justice and social support which honors that).
If you actually do something you’re responsible for that deed, ie possibly culpable.
If you’re being pressured/manipulated/… the person doing so is responsible for that, so culpable as well - but not in place - if applicable.
German law actually contains an apologetic first step in this direction, called ‘Remonstration’. I think we can all guess how it wound up in that particular legal system.
Besides being able to point at the article and say “see, we fixed it”, I’m not aware of a single (let alone significant) case where it was actually/successfully used.
In somewhat interesting contrast, German law does not codify protection of whistle blowers, for example.
Disagree. One of the main purposes of military training (in most, maybe all, cases) is to strip everyone of their individual autonomy.
If you’re not OK with what you’re ordered to do, you should not do it
The problem with this that soldiers are explicitly trained to not even consider their own judgement of their orders. They don’t stop, judge, then pull the trigger. They just pull the trigger. If they disobey an order, they’re court martialed. It’s the military’s justice system that then gets to decide if the order was unlawful. The system is designed to strip soldiers of their power.
If a 28yo enlists, they share some responsibility simply by knowingly joining an immoral organization. But most new recruits are in high school. They don’t know what the hell is going on.
All this to say: the leaders who have stripped young boys of their autonomy in order to have them commit horrific acts that will scar them for life in order to protect their own regime, they’re the real villains. I see the individual soldiers as victims.
German law does not codify protection for whistle blowers
gross. Although in the US the law is pretty much useless, so I guess at least Germany is honest? 🤷♀️
But we need imperialist war mongers for our “true working class” movement they are obviously more important than basic international solidarity.
Without the imperial dogs, who will protect us from all the scary foreigners who threaten our livelihoods every waking hour?
The Red Dawn! The Yellow Peril! The Antifa Supersoldiers! Save me from them, fascist daddy!
Doesn’t this same also fit for example Russian troops too
And here comes the whataboutism.
I mean sure but also way less people disagree with that and I don’t see how it’s relevant to this meme.
It just targets “Westoids” meanwhile that’s what Russia is doing right now, that’s why I wanted clarification
that’s what Russia is doing right now
Russia has been part of the West since Yeltsin shelled the Moscow Parliament into submission.
The Cold War ended 30 years ago. Capitalism won. What we’re experiencing today is post-Soviet imperial powers in a turf war.
When people talk of Western world Russia is pretty often not counted in that
Could have easily criticised the wealthy and those in power instead.
It’s really all nation states. But yeah it doesn’t take away from criticising the west who loves to paint themselves as guaranteer of human rights or whatever.
Not enough raping.
NAFO types really hate it when you mention how much JSOC or the Canadian Mounties or Royal Marines have made sexual assault a cornerstone of their organizations.
Don’t ask anyone in Okinawa why the island’s rate of unprosecuted teenage sexual assault is through the roof
the real problem is when those murderers come home and feel sad. Will somebody think of the poor state sanctioned murderers!!
This is actually a propaganda tactic called shooting and crying.
Of course it is a hebrew expression from the IDF
I’m glad they have PTSD 🤷♂️
The only thing that seems to curb their baser impulses is the haunting memory of the horror they committed.
It’s not the soldier with PTSD who should scare you. It’s the sociopath who came back seemingly normal.
It’s not the soldier with PTSD who should scare you. It’s the sociopath who came back seemingly normal
Chris Kyle
Agree. If the system is codified to allow them to get off absolutely free, in terms of legal culpability, at least they get to pay in some other form. Compared to their victims being, ya know, dead, a somewhat-modicum of eternal torment seems reasonable.
people downvoting you can fuck off.
In a just world they would face consequences for their actions. instead the closest thing they get is to “feel sad about it” then the whole state bends over backwards to coddle them and make them feel good.
Fuck off, I hope the guilt of their actions haunts them till their dying breath. They choose to enlist when they were legal adults. if an 18 year old gets drunk and runs over some children no one would care about them. but if an 18 year old signs up to kill children in the other side of the world it’s ok? they are then called heroes and given discounts?
yhea, we can vent on how the states encourages it, but by the end they willingly signed up to murder people. what did they expect?
Wishing harm on the internet is massively pathetic.
Please go touch some grass you desperately need it.
For many it is their only hope of escaping poverty or owning property. “Convenient” for the state that this is the case.
Desperate people are willing to do horrible things. To what extent are they to blame for being exploited? The state’s policies allow and encourage poverty, destitution, and desperation, then exploit it.
I don’t think one is just or even absolved by their exploitation, but I can have empathy.
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The state doesn’t treat veterans much better than dogs. Some get to leave with work experience, savings, and education, others get to crawl in the streets until they starve.
We can talk all about that. but the moment they agree to play the government game and make their lives better by destroying lives somewhere else they are now part of that system and not it’s victims. Same with all those ICE agents.
Have empathy with them until they decide to be a class traitor. If it was up to me they would be in jail to mellow with their PTSD. not in the general public.
Same as joining a gang. Participate in violence and you get a roof over your head and maybe a couple meals. Wether or not it makes them “bad people” or “class traitors” doesn’t change the pressures and incentives at play. There are few alternatives and fewer viable ones.
then the whole state bends over backwards to coddle them and make them feel good.
You should do stand-up. That’s pretty funny.
How often it calls them heroes? or gives them healthcare (still shitty because it’s America, but more healthcare than the general population)? or makes it socially unacceptable to criticise them, like I’m doing now and bootlickers are downvoting men and complaining.
fuck em all, you know how easy it is not to get PTSD from murdering people in poor countries? it’s super easy, just don’t sign up to kill people in poor countries.
Keep going. You’ve almost got a tight 5 there.
Oh no, I’ve upset the bootlickers, woe is me
The PTSD is part of why they have the join the military mentality.
love how this rustled some westoid jimmies.
Lol, almost all the comments are “but whatabout Russia!”
Inaccurate. The child is still alive and not raped.
American Mafia.
Boot boys frag your officer challenge
People down voting this makes me puke
Probably for the “westoid” part - as if eastoid (lol) soldiers have never “just followed orders”
When I see “-oid” in someone’s post and I instantly know that it’s just another dog shit chronically online opinion.
Even if I agree with the opinion, I don’t want to associate with them. It’s like someone using twitch lingo outside of twitch
Eastern soldiers are not infantilized the same way as western troops. American soldiers are just naive boys that got tricked by evil Washington. It’s okay they killed those innocent people because they got free college for it.
Additionally, when you look at the military actions of the west vs east in the 21st century, it’s a pretty silly comparison.
Not sure how you are quantifying “infantilized” or even “eastern”. However, most soldiers throughout history are barely adults who are manipulated by governments to do horrific things and have horrific things done to them as well.
A good book that I think addresses all your claims is Zinky Boys by historian Svetlana Alexievich. It’s a book of memoirs from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Zinky Boys is a haunting but great read
Also her Voices from Chernobyl is fantastic
Afgantsy by Roderic Braithwaite is similarly great, and is written with a more historical perspective in terms of the political landscape that led to that conflict being so bitter. (relatively – all conflicts are bitter)
“Sorry I killed your parents kid, the big evil government manipulated me! I’m just a 21 year old child like you!”
Lol, yes. Once you grow up a little, you too will think 21 year old people are still basically kids.
Do you actually think any 20 year old has valid personal reasons to go to a different country to kill someone? Of course they are being manipulated by things like nationalism.
Your rebuttal offers nothing but insight to your own immaturity.
lol you heard it here folks! 21 year old children… If you kill someone and you’re 21, oopsie!
Lol, my dude… No one is claiming that being a young adult absolves you from war crimes. Just that young people are easier to be led to do war crimes.
My claim was that virtually all wars are fought by young people being misled by governments with varying degrees of alternative motives. Not that those young people are free of blame, just that they are also victims to a lesser extent.
Ok sure man you’re right, no eastern army has ever been brainwashed into atrocities
Saying “westoid” makes you look like a manchild on 4chan regardless. Not a word a serious person users lol
It’s funny that tankies think that talking like a chronically online loser upsets anyone except their already disappointed parents.
westoids’ feelings were hurt, i see.
I don’t like my country so there’s no amount of western insults you can hit me with that will do anything but make you look like a terminally-online manchild
then why are you so mad we are calling you names?
Making fun of you isn’t the same as being mad at you, but I wouldn’t expect someone who says “westoid” to have the capacity mental capacity to recognize it
My feelings are hurt? At least I’m allowed to have them without a trip to a re-education camp.
at least i’m allowed any education instead of being sent straight to slave-labor prison camp for my opinions.
You mean the ‘education’ that teaches you how to report your neighbors, build the re-education camps, and thank Dear Leader for the privilege of not being sent there yet?
I never implied otherwise. You didn’t even engage with a single point I made. You just made one up then knocked it down lol.
Not true. Everyone’s soldiers are innocent beautiful boys. The enemies are ruthless monsters. Has been forever.
They’re all dumb as fuck. Why is signing up to kill people ok because it paid off your loans?
Yeah, those Russian contract soldiers totally aren’t doing it for the money. And Papa Putin’s fever dream of imperial glory totally isn’t guided by ideological delusions. Completely different.
Lotta western “leftists” arent actually leftists.
