It’s called “corpse”. Often riddled with diseases.
I remember a documentary about a famous northwest passage expedition that was never seen again. One of the inuit people they talked to during an investigation claimed they found a boat, and in the captain’s quarters they found a body in the bed with a big smile on its face. That would be absolutely terrifying, but apparently that’s what naturally happens to corpses when their lips and gums receed.
“Oh for just one time, I would take the Northwest Passage…”
Damn, got to listen to it now…
Damn, now i want to know!
Franklin’s last expedition
You’ve just ruined my night. I screamed. My phone was like an inch from my face and I was all tucked into bed. That triggered something primaly unsettling for me. Thank you
You’re welcome.
I trusted you
You were the best Blue.
At least he died happy
maybe hairless chimps too. Those things are crazy
They will rip your dick out, Jamie send that video of jacked hairless chimps
Your dick, your face… they’ll pretty much, as we say in my corner of the world, “Fuck your shit up”
Now, imagine the violence early human bought upon early chimps to become the dominant species but also make them shy away from us.
There’s a difference between a few humans throwing some rocks at something’s head and poking it with a sharp stick and what chimps do.
I think you missed the proverbial point. We likely slaughtered the chimps and put their heads on pikes. Chimps have nothing on the violence humans are capable of inflicting.
In scale? Yes. In brutality? Go look up chimp attacks.
Chimps kicked our weak asses off the trees. They should regret how that turned out for them.
You’re right though, as soon as someone dies, there’s something not right at all about how they look. They don’t look asleep, they look uncanny valley.
It also covers those who are not biologically fit to be mates. Various conditions can appear as physical traits.
Or perhaps whatever animal killed your friend is still nearby. Maybe it’s still hungry, or maybe it feels it’s territory is still underappreciated.
Its territory is underappreciated?
Yeah, some asshole walks through your territory, doesn’t seem like it’s being appreciated that the territory is yours
There might be a monster with hurt fee fees in the bushes
Or you need to identify those who aren’t behaving properly (sickness or other resource intense disability) and should be outcast from the group (something we don’t need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do)
we should be outcasting all sorts of toxic behaviors instead of putting them in charge.
I do believe there’s a happy medium between out-casting and electing, probably even a large amount of medium space.
But that’s not what you get in a first past the post system.
agreed but i also mean business leaders
Usually they just an MBA.
Yeah, like neurotypical people. There should be a rule against holding office in government if you’re neurotypical.
Actually, tribal humans tend to support people with disabilities, even severe ones. It’s only feudal and capitalist societies that treat disabled people with cruelty. It isn’t natural.
I was thinking rabies.
A person who looks wrong.
I was thinking psychopath. Someone who tries to blend in and act normal but never quite gets it. We have no problem be horrors to other species, but early humans couldn’t afford a psychopath willing and wanting to kill their own tribe.
Psychopath is just Latin for mentally ill person. Someone suffering from depression is a “psychopath”, and no, depressed people aren’t dangerous. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Even though that’s what the latin translation is, that’s not what the word means. The definition is “Psychopathy, or psychopathic personality is a personality construct characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egocentric traits masked by superficial charm and the outward presence of apparent normality”.
It’s not in the DSM, because it’s not real. It’s a fake diagnosis pushed by pseudoscientists.
Okay, first of all: the DSM is used primarily in North America. The majority of the world uses ICDM.
Secondly, the DSM has gone through many iterations and changes. For instance, DSM-I and -II contained psychopathy as a mental illness. It was replaced by ASPD in DSM-III. What we term today as “major depressive disorder” was also introduced in DSM-III. Did depression not exist prior to the third DSM? Did ASPD not exist? Does psychopathy not exist now that it has been replaced by ASPD?
Thirdly, there’s so much bloody overlap in conditions listed in the DSM that you could present two psychiatrists with the same list of symptoms and they would diagnose two different disorders. And to my mind, this lends more credence to the first DSM’s principle classifications of psychotic, neurotic, and behavioural disorders.
To summarize, the DSM is regional and therefore cannot be applied globally. It describes medical conditions and those medical conditions can be redefined at any time. And it is borderline unreliable due to diagnostic confusion and overspecification. In short, the presence or lack thereof of some cluster of symptoms in the DSM is not an indicator of the existence of a condition.
The DSM removed it because it was fake. Early psychologists believed in it, and over time they were proven wrong, so the official materials were revised.
Are you legitimately stupid? Do you not understand what the commonly accepted definition is for psychopath?
I suggest you figure it out before spouting Reddit level drivel.
something we don’t need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do
People keep saying this, but I really don’t see right wingers arguing for outcasting people.
I’m sorry, you don’t see phobias in the right wing?
It’s proven right wing individuals have more active fear trigger regions of the brain.
Building a wall and shutting down the border, letting people die of dehydration in the desert, are policies from the left wing?
It would be a evolutionary benefit to fear / avoid any person that is behaving strangely in certain distinct ways. Could be a dangerous transmittable disease, i.e. rabies etc.
It’s probably the entire reason people lost their shit over the idea of catching leprosy.
That makes a lot of sense👍
The humanoids we evolved from were at one point, not the only humanoids around. We coexisted with other, different species (neanderthals being an example). Homosapien is just the one that survived.
Yeah this is just leftover racism from a time when racism had a reason to exist.
I mean, racism has as much reason to exist now as it ever did. “I’ll protect me and what’s mine” has been the dividing line between species for thousands of years, and we have to choose whether we’ll continue it. A “Kill or be killed” mindset might keep you safe, but you’ll never know if the person you killed did indeed mean you harm, or if you could’ve instead lived without killing, and broke bread with a rival. The logic still applies
This guy knows.
Yes. A dead body.
Neanderthals and others existed contemporaneously didn’t they…
… but also, so many parts of our brain are needed to do facial recognition that we’re prone to seeing faces where there are none…
…so it’s possible that what we’re on the watch for is other humans trying to ambush us, which means regular people hiding = uncanny valley = fear.
I was thinking of the Denisovans
Don’t forget Bigfoot, the rake, and skin walkers.
not to mention el chupacabra
edit: dammit I mentioned him
Alternate theory: The human brain is reacting to unfamiliarity and not alien features. We strongly associate Uncanny Valley with things not-quite human but it’s my thinking that it’s a tribal thing. Nowadays we see a ton of faces of all variations but I bet when we were hunter gatherers, we only saw features of our own tribe. The moment you meet another tribe, I’d bet this response is to create fear of the unrecognized human. It’s also probably there as a punishment mechanism for us seeing faces in everything.
The times that the uncanny effect hit hardest is when you think something is human or is a face potentially before finding out you’re wrong. So that’s my basis for thinking its there to keep us from being mistaken.
Not necessarily fear it’s just most of the time today it’s used in horror
Back then it was probably used to differentiate Neanderthals
or corpses
Or Lizard people first trying to study us.
Well, I didn’t vote for them.
Lizard people are a dumb conspiracy!
licks eyes angrily
I doubt that premise. Neanderthals looked different, but not uncanny valley. Horror and fear may have been involved sometimes, but so was sex and competition… Neanderthals probably just looked like big chinless people
According to commercial genetics testing, I’m more Neanderthal than 90% of other people that used the same major company. My ancestors were into some kinky 👉👌
They like that caveussy
You know they sell your genetic data?
The hunter killer bots are going to find you so dang fast in the robot revolution, rip
prolly 🤷♂️ i got it done about 10 yrs ago when i wasnt aware of all that.
This made me look up what a Neanderthal would look like in modern clothing and this was one of the results:
Asmongold?..
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Or the biological need to be afraid of ourselves because if I saw a human standing in my backyard in the shadows I would be as scared as if it were an alien, humans aren’t a joke when they want to kill or maim and humans love to kill or maim if they need something you have
My brother accidentally cut his foot open with an axe about an hour ago. That’s how much humans love to maim. We do it idly as we work.
Yup. We’re least safe when we most think we’re safe. Architects of self fulfilling prophecies
I’m an engineer actually
That’s a hilarious reply, and I can’t think of a witty response to match it
Yeah that sounds like an architect XD
Fuckin’ savage.
Love you
Our instincts draw from pretty far back in our biological origins as well. The notion of mimiclike predators is pretty damned ancient and likely a factor for very earliest common ancestry.
Mimiclike predators sound like psychopaths. Which, very much would be a reason we evolved uncanny valley, but they learned to blend in.
There’s also the concept of gender blindness until it became necessary to differentiate between groups and eventually people.
Sorta like the story of the color blue.
Psychopath isn’t a real mental disorder, it’s just Latin for mentally ill person.
Psychopath is derived from Ancient Greek… And even besides that, laymen generally use the term to describe ASPD despite the two conditions not being entirely the same. Don’t be obtuse.
Yes, I’m aware that the word has been used as a slur against people with ASPD and other mental illnesses, what’s your point?
Hey man as long as you behave prosocially, it’s none of my business what your emotional life is like.
The best non-DSM category for socio/psychopath I’ve come across is the lack of affective empathy, but intact cognitive empathy. (non-DSM because that’s just symptom clusters not aetiologies, you quite literally need to have broken laws to be diagnosed with ASPD). Then you have a look at what skills are useful to have as a surgeon, like not flinching when you cut into people, and their character traits including their bedside manners, yep there’s plenty of perfectly integrated psychopaths around. Same goes for pyromaniacs fire departments are full of them, you only ever hear about the ones who don’t get the curve.
Dead bodies probably, as they spread diseases.
But it’s generally pretty obvious when someone’s dead. More likely it has to do with someone alive who may have a communicable disease.
But it’s not obvious that a dead body is dangerous
I suppose that’s true before they start to smell.
And Hulkamaniacs
We still do. They’re called psychopaths. It’s been a problem for so long that we’ve evolved an instinctual response to it.
Have we though? We still vote for them and populate the business rooms with them…
…my theory is different. I think this is evolutionary back to competition with similar species.
“But in general, take my advice, when you meet anything that’s going to be Human and isn’t yet, or used to be Human once and isn’t now, or ought to be Human and isn’t, you keep your eyes on it and feel for your hatchet.”
May I ask where this is from?
The chronicles of Narnia, the lion the witch and the wardrobe. I think it’s the beaver talking about how the witch isn’t human?
Ok that makes more sense coming from a Christian book. I was wondering if they’d be hatcheting fetuses.
Am I seeing this right? Are you calling one of the defining works of Fantasy literature a “Christian book?”
Sacrifice the Lion for the good of everyone? It comes back from the dead… Not ringing any bells?
OMG I can’t believe my eyes! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_The_Chronicles_of_Narnia
Yep and they were called Neanderthals.
But Homo Sapiens readily breeded with not only the Neanderthals but the Denisovans as well
Some of them did. We all know a few people that would go ahead and fuck what the rest of us would be scared to go near. Those genes survived too.
If those genes didn’t exist, you can be pretty sure that lineage would be less likely to survive.
Back 4 million years the whole world really was a planet of the apes. So in some ways recognising something that wasn’t your species, but looked like it might have avoided conflict, loss of territory, loss of food…
