Epstein didn’t kill himself.
But Charlie Kirk did. Just in a very roundabout way.
This was kinda funny
This is clearly fake, where is Reagan? You’re telling me those chucklefucks didn’t invite Ron?
Nancy said No.
Her spiritual guide said no.
She’s giving him schloppy in the oval office
He’s too liberal for the modern GOP.
Dude spearheaded the anti-gun movement in California and raised taxes 5 times.
He’s far-left by today’s standards.
Nowhere near enough fire and brimstone either
I don’t wish death on anyone. I wish their awareness and repentance while they live and breathe. It is rare an ego is strong enough to sit face to face with their actions and truly come to terms with it but I imagine that is what hell is if it exists. The ultimate punishment is healing in that the absolute worst thing that can be done to evil is to transform it into its opposite.
I used to say stuff like that. Now I’m old and I don’t care. You know that old saying “I have never wished for a man’s death, but I have read certain obituariesries with great pleasure?”
Yeah, that’s not me, I wish for certain peoples’ deaths all the time,AND read their obituaries with great pleasure.
Lindsey Graham’s surprise death made my week!
I think there’s far more intriguing outcomes than them dying, particularly having the courage to come to terms with their actions and repenting. Death is like the easiest solution possible.
Oh yeah, why aren’t all fascists dead then?
I think the morality here is fine, but you’re ignoring the reality of the harm that these people cause when you act like wishing death upon them is inherently immoral and contradictory to the belief that human beings are capable of and bettered by change.
Whether or not these things are true, these people are not going to change, either because they’re dead and the damage is done, or because there is nothing that will force them to stop what they’re doing besides that death. You’re talking about people who advocate and facilitate genocide on the scale of millions, billions if you recognize the potential harm from climate change and their roles in defending capitalism against climate change mitigation. Yes, I wish death on them, because that cannot continue but will continue so long as this system exists and this system exists to maintain their positions of power. These people want to kill me personally (Charlie Kirk literally advocated for my genocide until his dying breath), and millions of others whom are also justified in prefering them dead over reformed. I don’t care about an altruistically “ultimate” punishment, I care about not being killed brutally for no reason at all, and that doesn’t require me to sacrifice the ideal that people can change.
Focusing on the idealistic underpinnings of these things exclusively is a tremendous sign of privilege as person who is not immediately affected by the actions that these men committed themselves to. Guess what, they won’t repent or recognize their actions, not because of their “weak egos,” but because this system privileges them and insulates them from the consequences of their actions and any retribution that may be inflicted on them as a symbolic challenge to this system. These men would rather die than change or lose that privilege, and they’re killing on scales our brains can’t even actually comprehend for much less than that. To act as though it is a sign of altruism yourself to value moral purity over the practical reality that their violence is only ended through their deaths is much more selfish than you seem to realize. Even further, I don’t think you get to pick the ultimate punishment for someone who apparently hasn’t threatened you the way they do me or the victims of their genocide. I don’t care about punishment at all, but I certainly wouldn’t refuse death or violence as a punishment to someone whose entire family was killed by these men, or whose ancestral home was uprooted and poisoned, or whose children have to live scared their entire lives, or who was raped as a child and then publicly shamed for resisting them.
Maybe apply some of that purported empathy to an understanding that the moral purity of some fucking powerful men is not more important than the victims of their violence or the justice they seek. And before you say some other shit about how you know better for the satisfaction of those victims, consider that they may never be able to heal until that desire for punishment is satisfied, and then explain why their healing is less important than these men healing from “evil.”
Edit: This guy is a terrific example of how liberals will weaponize “morality” selectively to harm vulnerable groups. This is a person who does not view fascism or systemic violence as a problem, do not take their stance as coming from any genuine place of empathy or desire for the greater good.
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Never said that wishing death was necessarily immoral but I personally wouldn’t feel well doing so, so I don’t. I still don’t see the difference in wishing death and wishing them to change if one is not going to take direct actions on their desire. Both are just internal states of one’s own mind short of action being taken to make those internal states external realities.
I can sit around hoping certain individuals will die soon, knowing that it will happen eventually and the world will be a better, safer place because of it. For the most part, hoping these people change themselves is almost certainly a fanciful notion that will never come to pass, so why waste time considering it?
Unless we’re talking about taking action both are just states of one’s own mind. I mean unless you have a belief there is a mechanism where one’s belief alone can affect the world of which some do. I don’t personally so I maintain what I personally consider to be a better outcome for the world in my mind. Like for instance a leader of a hate group denouncing the hate group and working the rest of their days against their message is something that has happened and will happen again and is something I consider to be a much more valuable outcome than them just dying with all their followers still following them. Obviously death is far more common than just about anything for a living organism to do, it’s kinda like the trivial solution to an equation.
“I don’t personally so I maintain what I personally consider to be a better outcome for the world in my mind.”
Stop acting like you’ve both thought this through deeply and aren’t responsible for the consequences of what you advocate for. This is not some fucking opinion on a movie or video game, you are talking about real people who contributed to real violence within a real system that requires that violence to exist and rewarded them for facilitating it. Yes, when you sit here and act as though Nazi reform is more important than whatever their victims want, you are advocating for a way of thinking that correlates with actions that just so happen to devalue the harm done to victims of racism, sexism, ableism, transphobia, queerphobia. It does not matter what would be best if we had a thousand years without capitalism or settler-colonialism to reform these men with, we don’t have that and never will. We do have the consequences of their actions, and the people it affects.
Stop hiding around “my personal opinion” or the notion that you’re somehow even remotely concerned about benefitting others, you aren’t concerned, but you are responsible for what you say.
If we’re talking about taking action that’s a very different story. Of course moments require action but we are assuming neither you or I or anyone else is taking action thus such feelings or ideas exist only in the minds of people and not in physical reality. In this circumstance I’m not sure what you wishing for someone’s death in your mind is going to do for anyone but yourself and you’re more than free to do it. Obviously I would prefer people causing harm to stop, denounce their actions, and repent. It’s not that it never happens but it is uncommon, typically it is a far worse punishment than death so most tend to avoid it at all costs.
That is people are far more likely to choose death than admit that they were truly wrong. I still maintain those committing awful acts and embodying needless and avoidable human suffering would leave a greater mark on those like them or those who wish to be like them if they do indeed change instead of just die preaching the same old thing with all their words and actions intact for their followers and copycats.
There’s a reason the worst thing to almost all religions are people who left the faith but were once very deep into the faith. They know it’s the number one way you change people’s minds and kill not a person but an idea.
When people just die it doesn’t do much to change anything aka all their followers and believers are still there following and believing just the same.
Yes, you are when you say that wishing death is different from wanting perpetrators to change. Even then, this assumes that their changing would be enough for their victims to feel that justice has been done, but again, you don’t care about them. And now there’s no difference so long as the victim can’t personally deliver that justice by killing these men? Wow, how convenient, it’s almost like that way of thinking would mean that they’re responsible to end that harm to be justified in wishing death on these men rather than change.
That your response was to attempt some bullshit first year mind-body problem argument is telling too. You seriously dont give a shit about why these men are bad or how their victims feel, you just saw an opportunity to flex some fantasy morally pure version of yourself. You feel right about that as long as you can be moral about forgiving some monster who didn’t hurt you, is now dead, and therefore can never challenge your stance on them? Nice, yeah dude, you’re so dedicated to the greater good, and morality or reform, or whatever you don’t have to actually change yourself to do.
I mean death is about one of the most common things possible for any living being. Leaders of hate groups do indeed leave their post, denounce their beliefs and repent from time to time and it’s a far more powerful gesture against what they embody than just up and dying while preaching the same old thing, with their followers still as invigorated by their message and actions.
Now as for victims, it’s a tough call there. Obviously there are lots of punishments victims desire that even the law denounces as cruel and unusual or otherwise illegal and typically we don’t have much issue with that short of debates over capital punishment (which I’m also against but mainly because I don’t believe any government should lawfully be able to kill its citizens outside law enforcement in extreme circumstances of self defense). Ultimately we’re all going to die no matter what. Somewhere out in the future is the heat death of the universe, as for now to me I would prefer the symbolic gesture of one denouncing their old ways while they live and breathe instead of the trivial solution.
I have my own views and you have your own and I never said anything about any ultimate morality between you and I. You’re free to take it that way if you please and you’re free to want anyone and everyone to die as you see fit. I personally just don’t and that’s my own right and choice.
No, it fucking isn’t. Please, generate a source that shows that more Nazis are stopped by being told they were wrong the whole time (they didn’t know, you see, they thought everyone was having happy fun time) than by being forced to stop. How many people do you think they’d need to kill in the meantime before that is no longer more “powerful?”
I also love how you think you seem thoughtful for referencing rights of the state to take life, as though you give a shit about that either, to defend against killing these men when you’re looking at an image that includes some of the most powerful individuals in this system. How fucking unreal to suggest that you can even make that “tough call,” for people you have no right making a call for at all, and then act like you’re even thinking about them by saying the system they were victimized by shouldn’t have the right to kill the people who are complicit in the violence that effects these victims. Nobody’s even talking about that, because that wouldn’t even be on the board by the very nature of the violence that these men committed and how.
lmao, could you imagine, not having your “rights” respected? You’re so thoughtless and complicit it’s fucking sickening. I won’t be interacting with you again.
I never said don’t not tell people they’re wrong. But for instance one of the most dangerous things in any faith are ex-believers and every religion knows they are dangerous because of how effective they are at changing people’s minds. Leaving a faith is typically one of the greatest sins to said faith. That’s not an accident, they understand marketing and how ideas die. Now some ideas are tough to kill. There’s always going to be some person who wants to control everything at essentially any cost, I’m not sure that’s going anywhere anytime soon. Same with the idea that X people are good and Y people are bad not based on actions of said people. That is tribalism isn’t likely to go away anytime soon regardless of really anything we do short of genetically altering humanity. It’s like the idea of war or hatred itself, it’s too fundamental to our organism to go anywhere without some particularly extreme efforts. That’s not to say ideas don’t die. There’s been a plethora of bad people leading bad causes essentially lost to time and that’s because ideas do die for all sorts of reasons including people denouncing them.
I’m the opposite. If hell is real it doesn’t go far enough.
I dunno. On one hand, eternity is so long that we cannot possibly comprehend it even if we tried. That seems a tad bit excessive for transgressions committed in the tiny blip of one’s own mortal existence.
On the other hand, I think eventually you’d get used to the fire and brimstone and burning pitchforks and just start enjoying things regardless.
True punishment would be forcing those people to live the lives of every one of their victims, to directly face the consequences of their actions and accept accountability for what they’ve done, and then begin the long road to redemption and eventual forgiveness if they so choose to see the error of their ways, make amends, and change for the better in mind, body and soul.
Of course, that’s a fantasy. The evil dickheads will die and never have to face any consequences for fucking everything up.
People will accept physical torture long before they will truly accept seeing themselves. Physical torment I think is the simplest understanding one can give for what the mind truly fears.
Right, you ever have your finger nails peeled off with some pliers? What about having your bones broken and purposefully misaligned over and over for months? Or have you spent days forcefully conscious and alert on meth despite having so many parts of your body cut and peeled off that you should have gone into shock and passed out within minutes? No, many people would not choose that over therapy; men, maybe, lol
Another news flash for you: you are a physical thing that exists in a physical world. Physical pain is not “simple,” it is literally the only sensation you experience, including the way that emotional pain manifests because of the neurons firing in your brain. I seriously don’t believe in you’ve grappled with the reality of these things and you don’t deserve to speak as the authority you seem to think you are. You don’t have some deeper, more nuanced understanding of these things, you are being reductive in an attempt to appear thoughtful, and it’s actually so fucking disrespectful to the victims of these men. I wasn’t even going to write this but my god, how self-righteous and pompous.
He looks more human in the ai photos
They’re allowing cameras in hell now?
If that’s the uniform, then I guess it checks out.
Missing Robert S McNamara
Downvoted because AI.
Shown here practicing with his barbershop group, The Slimy Weasels.
The junior fiddlers.
The War Criminals.
Never realized this gif was the Cain train himself.
Wait, is that Elvis?
Find Mitch. You have 10 seconds!
Who’s the guy between Nixon and Kissinger?
Rush Limbaugh?
Nah. His body isn’t soft and shitty enough.
AI Rush is fit and hale.
Gerald Ford. He gave Nixon a full pardon.
I’m starting to love AI again.
