I mean death is about one of the most common things possible for any living being. Leaders of hate groups do indeed leave their post, denounce their beliefs and repent from time to time and it’s a far more powerful gesture against what they embody than just up and dying while preaching the same old thing, with their followers still as invigorated by their message and actions.
Now as for victims, it’s a tough call there. Obviously there are lots of punishments victims desire that even the law denounces as cruel and unusual or otherwise illegal and typically we don’t have much issue with that short of debates over capital punishment (which I’m also against but mainly because I don’t believe any government should lawfully be able to kill its citizens outside law enforcement in extreme circumstances of self defense). Ultimately we’re all going to die no matter what. Somewhere out in the future is the heat death of the universe, as for now to me I would prefer the symbolic gesture of one denouncing their old ways while they live and breathe instead of the trivial solution.
I have my own views and you have your own and I never said anything about any ultimate morality between you and I. You’re free to take it that way if you please and you’re free to want anyone and everyone to die as you see fit. I personally just don’t and that’s my own right and choice.
No, it fucking isn’t. Please, generate a source that shows that more Nazis are stopped by being told they were wrong the whole time (they didn’t know, you see, they thought everyone was having happy fun time) than by being forced to stop. How many people do you think they’d need to kill in the meantime before that is no longer more “powerful?”
I also love how you think you seem thoughtful for referencing rights of the state to take life, as though you give a shit about that either, to defend against killing these men when you’re looking at an image that includes some of the most powerful individuals in this system. How fucking unreal to suggest that you can even make that “tough call,” for people you have no right making a call for at all, and then act like you’re even thinking about them by saying the system they were victimized by shouldn’t have the right to kill the people who are complicit in the violence that effects these victims. Nobody’s even talking about that, because that wouldn’t even be on the board by the very nature of the violence that these men committed and how.
lmao, could you imagine, not having your “rights” respected? You’re so thoughtless and complicit it’s fucking sickening. I won’t be interacting with you again.
I never said don’t not tell people they’re wrong. But for instance one of the most dangerous things in any faith are ex-believers and every religion knows they are dangerous because of how effective they are at changing people’s minds. Leaving a faith is typically one of the greatest sins to said faith. That’s not an accident, they understand marketing and how ideas die. Now some ideas are tough to kill. There’s always going to be some person who wants to control everything at essentially any cost, I’m not sure that’s going anywhere anytime soon. Same with the idea that X people are good and Y people are bad not based on actions of said people. That is tribalism isn’t likely to go away anytime soon regardless of really anything we do short of genetically altering humanity. It’s like the idea of war or hatred itself, it’s too fundamental to our organism to go anywhere without some particularly extreme efforts. That’s not to say ideas don’t die. There’s been a plethora of bad people leading bad causes essentially lost to time and that’s because ideas do die for all sorts of reasons including people denouncing them.
I mean death is about one of the most common things possible for any living being. Leaders of hate groups do indeed leave their post, denounce their beliefs and repent from time to time and it’s a far more powerful gesture against what they embody than just up and dying while preaching the same old thing, with their followers still as invigorated by their message and actions.
Now as for victims, it’s a tough call there. Obviously there are lots of punishments victims desire that even the law denounces as cruel and unusual or otherwise illegal and typically we don’t have much issue with that short of debates over capital punishment (which I’m also against but mainly because I don’t believe any government should lawfully be able to kill its citizens outside law enforcement in extreme circumstances of self defense). Ultimately we’re all going to die no matter what. Somewhere out in the future is the heat death of the universe, as for now to me I would prefer the symbolic gesture of one denouncing their old ways while they live and breathe instead of the trivial solution.
I have my own views and you have your own and I never said anything about any ultimate morality between you and I. You’re free to take it that way if you please and you’re free to want anyone and everyone to die as you see fit. I personally just don’t and that’s my own right and choice.
No, it fucking isn’t. Please, generate a source that shows that more Nazis are stopped by being told they were wrong the whole time (they didn’t know, you see, they thought everyone was having happy fun time) than by being forced to stop. How many people do you think they’d need to kill in the meantime before that is no longer more “powerful?”
I also love how you think you seem thoughtful for referencing rights of the state to take life, as though you give a shit about that either, to defend against killing these men when you’re looking at an image that includes some of the most powerful individuals in this system. How fucking unreal to suggest that you can even make that “tough call,” for people you have no right making a call for at all, and then act like you’re even thinking about them by saying the system they were victimized by shouldn’t have the right to kill the people who are complicit in the violence that effects these victims. Nobody’s even talking about that, because that wouldn’t even be on the board by the very nature of the violence that these men committed and how.
lmao, could you imagine, not having your “rights” respected? You’re so thoughtless and complicit it’s fucking sickening. I won’t be interacting with you again.
I never said don’t not tell people they’re wrong. But for instance one of the most dangerous things in any faith are ex-believers and every religion knows they are dangerous because of how effective they are at changing people’s minds. Leaving a faith is typically one of the greatest sins to said faith. That’s not an accident, they understand marketing and how ideas die. Now some ideas are tough to kill. There’s always going to be some person who wants to control everything at essentially any cost, I’m not sure that’s going anywhere anytime soon. Same with the idea that X people are good and Y people are bad not based on actions of said people. That is tribalism isn’t likely to go away anytime soon regardless of really anything we do short of genetically altering humanity. It’s like the idea of war or hatred itself, it’s too fundamental to our organism to go anywhere without some particularly extreme efforts. That’s not to say ideas don’t die. There’s been a plethora of bad people leading bad causes essentially lost to time and that’s because ideas do die for all sorts of reasons including people denouncing them.