I had/have this bad. I was only diagnosed recently, and looking back i can see clearly when i was being nutty. I have used this to help others i see with a similar reaction 😅. It’s all i can do to help
Not been diagnosed but absolutely lost my shit recently when friends mugged me off playing tennis, I don’t even care about the result.
I need to go get help
All I’m hearing is the average person is shittier than I am. We are fucked.
my mother once told me my since of justice was my biggest flaw. 15 years later and I get what she meant but what a thing to tell a 10 year old lol
Probably better to describe it as “fairness”. Maybe even “stubbornness” The problem with justice/fairness is that it is ultimately subjective. And a 10-year-old’s view of fairness is often divorced from principles of personal safety or propriety.
You’ll see this problem with adult libertarians all the time. Everything from seat belts to sales taxes to dress codes intrude on their sense of fairness, largely because they’ve ingested enormous volumes of propaganda. The real joke of it is when the term “social justice” impugnes your sense of personal justice. Same with the social conservatives who get up in arms over “illegal” immigration and desegregation, environmental regulations and speed limits, prohibitions on state sanctioned religious education, and age limits on who you can marry.
A sense of justice is a very plastic (especially at a young age) and perspective oriented. Wars have been fought and rivers of blood spilled over a population’s conviction of their own righteousness.
Going on the warpath at the drop of a hat pretty much describes my entire immediate family and majority of my friends. The stress is going to end me early, I fucking know it.
Yep. Rules are rules. Rules are important for social living together.
BMW drivers not signaling should get their car taken away.
BMWdrivers not signaling should get their car taken away.BMW drivers
not signalingshould get their car taken away.I don’t suspect they only hate BMW drivers. It’s a common joke that BMW driver are generally unaware of turn signals, as a function of their cars.
I don’t hate BMW drivers. I am incapable of understanding why one person can not obey trivial rules that benefit all.
The BMW driver was just a cliche and symbol I used to transport this.
To be clear, I understand how it is and that depending on a multitude of factors (location, time, etc) the rules change. But someone knowing the rules and not having a detriment by complying and still not adhering to them is malicious and should be punished or otherwise facing consequences.
I’m autistic because I want people to follow the written rules of society?
Don’t fucking run red lights and do stop for pedestrians is pretty much all I ask, but that’s too much in the small city I live in for at least a few people every day.
Unironocally yes.
The point is the average person doesn’t give a shit. That’s the baseline. It’s why without enforcement, no one follows rules detrimental to themselves. It’s why going 50 in a 50 is considered ridiculous.
The fact that it even pisses you off enough to write that out is evidence enough lol. Maybe. Not the one thing by itself…
Source: Late diagnosed adhd, probably autistic, said the same kind of things as you before I realized I’m just… not typical
The point is the average person doesn’t give a shit.
Average people give an average shit. They tend to see what comes close to goring their own ox and ignore what’s out of view.
It’s why going 50 in a 50 is considered ridiculous.
When you’re on an empty road, it feels ridiculous to go 50 in a 50 because nobody is in your way.
When it’s bumper to bumper traffic, it feels ridiculous to go 50 in a 50 because you’d immediately collide with the car in front of you.
When everyone else is going 50, it feels sensible to keep up with the herd, even when a sign indicates a different speed is more appropriate.
Ignoring the circumstances in favor of the written rule isn’t virtuous on its face. Sometimes the rules are wrong and you need to use your own judgement. Sometimes the rules are there for reasons that go deeper than their most literal interpretation.
We need to burn this evil system to the ground
It’s built by and for psychopaths instead.
Ah yes. Another episode of the ‘neurodivergent people are actually normal and it’s neurotypical people who are weird’ series.
Nah. Perceived injustice can motivate a variety of feelings and behaviors. Not all of them helpful. Not all of them good (B. Pine, C. White, M. Eisenhardt, et al).
I mean, it could be argued that neurotypicals are simply the most cohesive minority. They only account for ~40% of people, because ~60% have some sort of mental disorder. The only reason neurotypicals are the default are because they’re the largest cohesive and exclusive group. If it were a Venn diagram, 60% would be a bunch of smaller (often overlapping) circles, while the remaining 40% would be off to the side in its own circle.
So if you’re going to make assumptions about someone you just met, (and we all make assumptions. That’s how socializing works), it makes sense to assume that the person is probably in the largest group that doesn’t overlap with any of the other groups. So “neurotypical” is used as the default until we know more about the person. Not because they’re the majority, but simply because the 40% group is the easiest, most straightforward, least messy assumption to make.
Now we’re conflating ADHD with holiness.
OK.
No, it’s a well-documented phenomenon called Justice Sensitivity. It can even be graded on a scale, like any other symptom of ADHD or autism. It is part of the diagnostic criteria.
Basically, lots of ADHD/autistic people tend to dislike rules, feeling like they’re restrictive for no reason… Unless they know why the rule exists. But if they know why it exists, they often tend to treat the rule as gospel, and get extremely angry and/or resentful when others don’t follow the rule. They’ll have a strong urge to correct perceived injustices, even if the injustice was relatively small or benign. “Life isn’t fair” is something that many people with ADHD/autism hear a lot, because it’s often the go-to response from neurotypicals whenever they start complaining about injustice. There’s a reason people with ADHD and autism disproportionately work as activists.
This can also cause a lot of friction between two autistic people, especially where one person understands the rules and the other doesn’t. Then you’ve got one person who’s furious the other isn’t following the rules, and the other who is furious because they’re being expected to follow rules they don’t understand.
Yea … Im gonna argue that a great deal of the population (in the US) just lacks morals.
Maybe this is part of it. ASD/ADHD people being corrected so many times about doing things “wrong” that they have been “trained” to point out or note things that are incorrect. And also, maybe a reason why we get so incredibly frustrated when NT let things slide for other NT people that we feel we’d get in trouble for. We don’t fit the vibe that NT in-group runs on.
This blows my mind. Makes so much sense! edit: forgot to thank you for posting this :). Thanks!
I use the word righteous. And I don’t think it is that we are more righteous. I think we just have trouble getting over it. Which is a general aspect of many other things that cause issues for us.
I’d also posit my unqualified opinion1 too: I think it’s the idea that the rules are inconsistent. You try to follow a system that everyone says is “blind” and impartial, only to see it just got Lasik and is very, very partial to particular people. The dissonance between experiencing injustice and insistent claims that the civilized world is fair.
If all cultures codified that “money buys clemency”, there’d be a lot fewer outbursts about how unfair things are.
1 I’m probably not autistic, just have a lot of autistic friends.
It’s really interesting reading the replies. A lot seem to be talking about “justice and fairness” like it means “following all rules always” but personally, I don’t give a fuck about the rules. I want you to be kind.
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I SAID BE KIND TO EACH OTHER, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
I am definitely not a rule follower by default in the sense that I identify that many rules are just a framework for compelling obedience and preserving power hierarchies. But then shit like speeding and running red lights or driving recklessly makes me furious, because these rules are not tools for subjugation or oppression in any way, they are protocols for safe coexistence which sometimes create extremely fucking minor inconveniences.
I honestly believe people who drive aggressively are just impotently asserting agency in a world they feel beat down by, because they have literally nothing going on. It’s one of the most pathetic behaviors commonly present in the modern world.
Viscerally.
Well, kinda a combination of all of it, but when people are being greedy, selfish, ass holes instead of kind and fair and just trying to make the world or community a better place for everyone in it rather than just themselves or those they know there is an unyielding rage that begins to stir wants to MAKE them be fair and kind.
Probably what led me to being vegan. I can’t stand the hypocrisy of some animals deserving compassion and others not. I also work for a company in sustainability/energy transition, and the amount of people who “care” about sustainability and the environment and yet still drool when they see a steak is too high.
I’m vegan, btw.
I’m vegan, btw.
Yes, but do you use Arch Linux?
Na, I just use Bazzite currently. Have used zorin and Mint as my primary OS before, but haven’t even tried arch. Could I interest you in our Lord and Savior, the bicycle, though?
Note: not the person you were asking.
All hail Lord Bicycle
This guy trying to push us into the event horizon
100%. Injustice causes me physical pain, especially if the injustice is then justified based on irrational arguments or I can tell that the argument is made in bad faith. Anti-Veganism would be an example that has caused me issues before.
I get locked in a rumination cycle, which makes it difficult to do things I need to do (clean, work stuff, etc)
Weed shuts it off.
For me it’s cops, I get a damn near aneurysm every time I hear ‘they’re not all like that’. Have we learnt nothing?!?
“So, what’s wrong with me, doc?”
“Well it seems you have strong empathy and a sense of justice, which simply doesn’t mesh well with the reality we have created.”
“…What’s the cure?”
“Money and power.”
“Fuck.”
“Hi, I’m here to pick up my prescribed money bag.”
I prefer the alternative medicine, anarchy.
Yes my friend. “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” ― Albert Camus
