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What Anon felt like after posting that:
The bell curve part is fine. It’s the correlation between IQ and political orientation that is not. One of the biggest fallacies in life is that being smart automatically makes you a good person. It does not, and it also does not determine your political affiliation.
I guess the curve here is iq is the vertical axis and political orientation is the horizontal axis.
I am gonna take a guess and say that he thinks y-axis is the IQ and x-axis is some other random variable like it is a scatter plot except it isn’t.
isn’t the x axis just political orienration? Probably represented 0-1 or 0-100 0 being right and 1 left of course.
It is how someone with severe Dunning-Kruger thinks a Bell curve works, though.
I have a BA in performing arts and a MA in film, I have no idea what a Bell curve does.
Well for the purposes of understanding this, you don’t need to. This post is stupid for so many other reasons. Like any graph your axis have to make sense. You’re plotting two pieces of data against each other so you need to know what those two pieces of data are and what their scales are.
But here they’re measuring IQ against political leanings. But that doesn’t work because political affiliation isn’t a scale any more then favourite colour is a scale. IQ is a scale, but the bottom axis is just nothing.
Acknowledging that limitation means my previous statement doesn’t apply to you.
Hey, they are in the top 99% of IQ scores.
That’s a comment from someone who thinks the Dunning-Kruger effect is real and not the result of applying statistics wrongly
Fun fact, the findings were actually that the students thought they scored closer to the average than they actually did. As in, below average students did think they scored higher, but they still thought they scored below average.
While the meme is funny, IQ is a bullshit statistic.
A somewhat useful statistic.
Not really, as we can dramatically increase iq with wealth.
If true, then it would provide a way to redistribute wealth and measure the collective impact on IQ in a quantitative way, which would indeed make it a useful statistic
Let me know when we do wealth redistribution, lol.
These are not mutually exclusive statements.
For example I exfoliate with nickles because money reduces dumb dumb.
Sure, so what’re its uses?
If a younger kid has a lower IQ then figuring out what skills they are lacking in to help them improve. For an adult if their low IQ score comes from lack of reading comprehension then you can assist that. The tests can help target the areas of lack.
It is not a static part of you like your height or wingspan. It can increase and decrease because of a variety of factors.
Yes, absolutely. But how does an IQ test help with that? If someone has a low score, you then need to figure out what skill is lacking. That requires another test, no? How is assigning a point score helpful?
I don’t know of any education system that relies on IQ scores, yet they are usually set up to address shortcoming in skill or education. They do this via targeted tests and education programs. I don’t personally see what adding IQ would add.
Agreed, indicating deficiency requires more nuance than a single score. The only thing IQ by itself has been used to is to either “give up” on a person because low IQ or to falsely elevate a person for being “super smart” and breed obnoxious elitism. Mensa itching to tell folks with a high score on a single test that they are better than everyone else.
Not really, it’s highly misleading and is used to justify bigotry.
Lots of things are used to justify bigotry. If you assume that subjectively negative attributes are a result of heritage rather than upbringing, you can use anything to justify bigotry.
For native English speakers, IQ largely correlates with general intellectual ability. People with higher IQs are generally more capable of understanding more complicated topics. It’s not a moral failing to have a low IQ, and there’s no reason to assume it’s genetically heritable or innate and immutable.
The problem is that IQ is very poor at actually identifying “general intellectual ability,” as “general intellectual ability” is not a linear spectrum but a highly complex and multi-faceted phenomena.
I’ve seen enough court cases where people did not have the reasoning capability to understand the situations they were in. Not bigotry, I do believe IQ can be increased and has a lot to do with upbringing, access to info, and opportunity.
But there are people who are unfortunately dumb. Not to mock them, but understand we need to come along the simple to assist them. Because it makes for a better society.
People can have less or greater cognitive ability and understanding. Trying to quantify it as IQ does, however, results in extremely misleading outcomes.
Yup. But it is not a horrid starting point. There is always a better everything.
Just because one finds fault does not mean that one can not also find use.
The problem is with how it’s used in general, which results in ableism and bigotry.
By a few. Don’t let a few bad apples ruin the bunch.
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People who agree with me; SMART
Disagree?: DUM DUMS!
i disagree, but I’m dumb, so it must be true.
Average right wing extremist I’ve met:
Has never read a book, much less the Bible, despite being a fervent Christian.
Average left wing extremist I’ve met:
Has actually read books about leftist theory, is willing to debate and have their mind changed. The march I joined a few months ago was basically full of Political Science students from the local university.
Tl;dr: the bell curve up top is accurate, minus the Wojacks.
In the United States at least I suspect that there won’t be many of the centralists because the way US politics works there isn’t really a place for them. It’s a two-party system so you kind of have to be one thing or the other.
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There is now a bigger shift where there are some very inept leftists whose dogma harms them (as the conservatives of the 70s/80s/90s).
As well many more well spoken conservatives in the last 10 years. However that benefit is starting to wane and they now have a brigade of social media rhetorist as intolerable as the left.
Leftist dogma hurts business. Nobody ever died from having a 2 day weekend or from being forced to work less than 40 hours a week
Could you cite something? I haven’t seen any of this, and I’m very curious to see where it’s coming from.
I see it on Reddit all the time. Leftists hurting their own arguments because they’re repeating things that are just flat out wrong. Most people barely pay attention to the news, have no idea how our government works, and don’t read books.
What about the far-center?
The graph gains a z axis, in both directions you get an equally-incoherent far-center
thats just jregism
I’m far more bothered by the left being in the right and the right being on the left.
You think the fascists are ahead of the curve?
No one said your coordinate system needs to start on the left and point to the right. Whar if it started on the right and pointed to the left?
Gotta second this one, can start on any direction. But no one said this was a directional graph in the first place. Just a graph
There aren’t any labels on the axes, it could be plotting time spent gardening against number of bricks in their house for all we know.
Ah maybe, it’s a shit graph that isn’t logical in any sense anywho
Unless you are an Arab then it makes no sense to go from right to left. Especially for a graph without any axes.
Ofc I have seen it in graphs that want to manipulate people, putting timelines backward to appear that things going good.
Hillarious
Sad thing is that this is how most people view politics. This makes sprouts jump to the center when first engaging.
That centrists have middling intelligence, but are the most populous, and far left are impossibly the smartest above others but very rare? I don’t think most people view politics that way.
I would swap the most left two. It is smart to challenge also the communist concepts instead of blind regurgitation as their could be better alternatives.
> hey fuck off
> looks around
> centrally planned economy
> looks away
Checks out, there is clearly more IQ under the middle of the graph.
The centrists took a detour around the part where the IQ is
Ah, this is the plot of the integral of IQ.
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Being high iq is dumb
I mean, take away the wojaks and it’s accurate
My thoughts exactly.
No no, anon’s got a point
I mean they’re calling someone on the internet an imbecile. Easy win.
