Cry more, bigot. I see the comments you’ve had removed by mods.
Hey, they’re just an r-word and Scandinavia enjoyer, with some light bannings attributed to transphobia and nazism. That’s not at all relevant when they’re out here in the wild trying to forge up some horseshoe theory!
You went into a community which defines itself as Tankies, compared them to Fascists, and now you come here whining about it?
I swear, for the people who’ve yet to experience getting caught in .ml crossfire these constant stories verge on some Jason Voorhees Boogieman shit for me ahaha
Does everyone who finds themselves on lemmygrad just show up to start debates? I’ve never just accidentally wandered into an .ml instance and then felt compelled to start throwing hands about Tiananmen Square lol
This stuff has got to be some of my all time favorite Lemmy lore and I look forward to the day I find a reason to be banned from there too.
I’ll downvote that too.
It seems to #bothsides an issue via a lot of hyperbole, and risks straw-manning one side just for a favourable comparison.
I don’t colour myself a tankie, but I do live in a more socialist country than America - low bar, such as it is. I sense I’m not in a position to properly understand how your argument can make sense, but the kneejerk comparison I feel needs some explanation before just throwing that smelly fish out there.
It’s not cut-and-dried, but presented as such. It’s not helpful and relevant by itself. Thus, downvote.
While I don’t disagree with you, if you didn’t subscribe to the fact that authoritarians have coopted far left movements to consolidate power, it does look like you are doing a false equivalency to make a “both sides” argument. And “both sides” arguments frequently get downvoted.
Totes.
I was banned from socialism on Lemmy.ml the other day.
For providing a detailed post with scientific references demonstrating how the Tibetan language is disappearing (and how the infographic posted was likely propaganda/misinformation).
I had many users respond calling me slurs and none really responding to the body of my post in any way. Then, instead of moderating the bullying, the mod called me a shithead, provided his own references and banned me to prevent me from responding.
The kicker? The references he linked to supported exactly what I was saying! He hadn’t read them.
Also funnily, the mod log states that I infringed “Rule 1”. I checked. Socialism’s rules are still TBD (after 7 years).
welcome to the club.
don’t worry, they will follow you around for awhile, because they have nothing better to do than harass well-intentioned people.
my favorite is when they tell you their sources from state operated media are the truth…
Ha, yes that’s the actions of a person who has command of the facts and understands the hierarchy of evidence /s
There are instance wide rules. It wasn’t clarified, although it should have been, that it was that.
- No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
I’ll let QinShiHuangsShlong point out the problem with your comment
In other words, in all likelihood, waves at the Chinese intelligence system running this thread.
Why do you people always feel the need to add some dehumanising shit like this at the end of your replies.
“Oh you don’t hate China you must be a bot, shill, intelligence officer, brainwashed etc etc.”
You suck.
Also only that one bad comment (calling you a shithead) was made, and not by a moderator. The comments calling you slurs you are talking about do not exist.
Wow, I see you following my posts. That’s a bit creepy. But I’ll play.
Since when is calling out a particular nation’s intelligence apparatus racism? In fact I criticised the American government in the paragraph previously. You’ve cut out context to make your actions seem a little more reasonable. Here’s that context:
Many of these same allegations can be levied at governments such as the Americans; but to differing proportions and often historical rather than modern contexted. However, rather than one being preferred, it is my opinion that any immoral and unethical system of government does not deserve the support of the people. The fact that you’re trying to garner support for just another form of tyranny is at the least concerning and at the most likely duplicitous and an attempt at manipulation from said government itself.
I see many users on lemmy.ml doing exactly this all the time, but in reverse and being more direct in their description. Usually some kind of combination of “western imperialist country’s liberal intelligence”.
It is not by any measure racism. It’s criticism of a form of government.
Which leads me to my next question: why is it a forbidden topic to talk about the activities of a very powerful and despotic government like the CCP, but in the same breath permitted to fling similar criticism at other countries? I had a user assume I was American in that thread and criticise me based upon it. Ironically I am not. Why was this not also moderated?
Why was I banned for that criticism, and yet the user that called me a shithead (a direct slur) was not?
The more you analyse the actions of any moderator or most lemmy.ml users, the more their hypocracy becomes apparent.
Free speech for me, but not for thee.
Most of my post was a scientific discussion on the loss of the Tibetan language, and proved through academic pieces of research the misinformation/propaganda present in the OP’s infographic.
I think it is much more likely given the apparent hypocracy and duplicity evident in your actions as moderator and my experience with lemmy.ml as a whole, and the experience of the users in this thread which are so numerous, that this was a deliberate burying of that information.
But that’s just my opinion, I have no proof and can’t accept any from you or your team because of the above bad faith that has already been made apparent.
By the way, liberal is a slur used in the same manner as tankie, but by authoritarian communists/socialists. I’m surprised as a moderator of lemmy.ml you’re unaware of this fact.
For clarity’s sake, here’s that original post so that all those that read this can have full context:
spoiler
Can we have some academic references for your claims OP?
Here are mine before you ask:
Mandarin is now the primary medium of instruction/education for approximately 95% of schools in Tibetan areas, including kindergartens. We have a large body of verified statistics and independent institutions that show this clearly: https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/12/18/7267 https://www.hrw.org/report/2020/03/05/chinas-bilingual-education-policy-tibet/tibetan-medium-schooling-under-threat https://www.right-to-education.org/resource/chinas-bilingual-education-policy-tibet-tibetan-medium-schooling-under-threat
Tibetan educator and researcher Gyal Lo projected that up to 70% of Tibetans in China may lose the ability to speak their mother tongue by 2030 if current trends continue. This projection is supported by a wealth of academic studies: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/article/abs/tibets-invisible-languages-and-chinas-language-endangerment-crisis-lessons-from-the-gochang-language-of-western-sichuan/994D3B3CFDFEA96C30F022369F1DB1FD https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29033477/ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324778661_Tibet's_Minority_Languages_Diversity_and_endangerment
Also, in terms of the ongoing theme you’re engendering, the idea that Tibetans do not experience oppression or persecution, here’s a summary of most of the ways in which that provably isn’t true.
I haven’t referenced these as it would take quite a bit of time; but much of it is well documented and you’re welcome to conduct a literature search if you’d like:
-military suppression of uprisings, -political imprisonment, -torture and deaths in custody, -restrictions on religion, -interference in Buddhist institutions, -suppression of Tibetan language, -cultural assimilation policies, -mass surveillance, -censorship and speech restrictions, -forced relocation of nomads, -environmental displacement, -economic discrimination allegations, -coercive labor allegations, -restrictions on travel and foreign access.
Many of these same allegations can be levied at governments such as the Americans; but to differing proportions and often historical rather than modern contexted. However, rather than one being preferred, it is my opinion that any immoral and unethical system of government does not deserve the support of the people. The fact that you’re trying to garner support for just another form of tyranny is at the least concerning and at the most likely duplicitous and an attempt at manipulation from said government itself.
In other words, in all likelihood, waves at the Chinese intelligence system running this thread.
Wow, I see you following my posts
How I have followed you without opening you user page, searching for you, or using the api to get information on you I have no idea. If you can tell me so I can better understand I would be interested.
Take the rest up with an admin of lemmy.ml, or the moderator of the comm you were banned from.
As a moderator of communities on lemmy.ml you have come here unprompted in defense of the indefensible actions of other moderators on Lemmy.ml.
Yet upon explaining how in detail this hypocrisy exists, your response is to verbally shrug as though it’s nothing to do with you and you won’t pass judgement.
Hilarious.
your response is to verbally shrug as though it’s nothing to do with you and you won’t pass judgement.
Correct.
Also I would still like to know.
Tubular was right, then. You do follow around and harass people.
Happening to be in the two threads is following people around? Pointing out when someone is wrong is harassing them? Trying to be helpful and explain what “rule 1” means is harassment?
I checked that thread, perhaps they mean “liberal” is a slur? /s
I’m banned from a bunch of random places cuz I made a joke about Jack Ma disappearing for “re-education”. Loud critic of the CCP. Goes missing unexpectedly for a bit. Returns and suddenly sings the praises of the CCP. Definitely not fishy at all and you can’t joke about it.
Westerners fawning over Xi is just fucking embarrassing
Oh that guy resurfaced? I assumed he was dead.
Lots of conspiracy theories about him. From what I’ve read he just ended up going on the down low and switched to focusing on being a college professor. Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/19/tech/jack-ma-teaching-japan-university-of-tokyo-intl-hnk
I got banned in a hard way from a lot of those sub and not on purpose. A simple comment here or there would set off an attack storm from people who sort all comments by new and look for it.
These people are no different than the militant PETA types.
pretty much. they think anyone who isn’t as delusional as they must be destroyed.
You not posting this in context makes you super untrustworthy in my book.
It’s not hard to suss out the context: https://leminal.space/modlog?userId=17385373
That guy gets banned a lot.
Dictatorship is by nature untrustworthy, so which one do you pick: trustworthiness or dictatorship?
By “trustworthiness” do you mean continuing to try to vote our way into policy which benefits the American people? Because that hasn’t worked in 40+ years.
Yeah I’ll take a “dictatorship” like China if it means we get socialized Healthcare, 25,000 miles of high speed rail, affordable housing and nationalization of corporations who have received billions if not trillions in subsidies. American “democracy” certainly hasn’t delivered on any of that.
Then move to China, because the chances of a dictatorship running your way are next to zero. Dictatorship means no accountability, so once it’s set up, they do as they please no matter what you say.
Then move to China
If I spoke mandarin fluently and had a solid support network of friends and family i would. 🤷♂️
Dictatorship means no accountability, so once it’s set up, they do as they please no matter what you say.
Show me all this accountability here in the United States. A known pedophile is in office and the previous guy in office spent four years giving a huge number of his voters the finger.
If it was a total dictatorship, he’d be there forever. Accountability is the elections. You have hope.
Accountability is the elections.
Then who are prisons made for?
Tell you what, I’ll wait here until you find a question you actually can’t answer yourself.
You seem to like when the government heavily censors domestic media, the internet, and academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent, protests, or criticism of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Movement within China is regulated. The justice system in China has a 99% conviction rate…for whichever side supports the side of the state. Mass surveillance with no legal recourse. You wouldn’t even know if you had it good or not. Unless you are fine not knowing I suppose.
The west also heavily censors domestic media, the internet, academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent and protests, etc. The critical difference is that the west does this to protect capitalists against the working classes, while China does this to suppress capitalists and protect the socialist system. The class that controls the state uses it to oppress the others.
You’re responding to my comment where I said.
Show me all this accountability here in the United States.
You didn’t show me where all this accountability is. Was that an oversight on your part or are you acknowledging there isn’t any?
From the recent Perceptions of Democracy survey:
China is one of the more comprehensively democratic countries on the list, with some of the fewest glaring weaknesses.
cool… cool…
Russia… Democratic… LMFAO xDDD
Thanks for sharing!
This was an edited picture, the one I posted has Russia near the bottom.
This data is public, and was gathered by western organizations. You don’t have to make stuff up.
(No idea what they’re trying to say tbh. Is that an edited image or… are they calling you out? Seriously unclear)
PODS is an opinion poll. The way you present it implies that it speaks in any way to the actual systems of government of the country in question, when that’s just straight not what it’s about:
[…] At the same time, more respondents said their country was moving in the wrong direction. The report finds that pessimism is especially pronounced in democracies. France, Germany, Lebanon, Puerto Rico and Nigeria were among the countries where responses on national direction were most negative. China recorded the most positive responses, followed by El Salvador, Kuwait, Algeria and Belarus.
What the infographic you’ve posted actually shows is that Chinese citizens are among the most satisfied with their government, which is for sure something, but is decidedly not the same thing as:
China is one of the more comprehensively democratic countries on the list, with some of the fewest glaring weaknesses.
Thanks for the link, my point was that posting random pictures without context/methodology/sources is not very helpful.
So the questionnaire asks people how positive/negative they perceive the categories in their own country, I’m not really sure that methodology works very well for oppressive countries.
Xi is a de facto dictator. Sham elections and all
Xi is not directly elected
Xi is not elected*
I could just as easily say “president is untrustworthy by nature” or “king”, “prime minister”, “dictator”, “state”, “soldier”, “police”, ”judge” etc. Dictatorship doesn’t automatically equal “authoritarian tankie evil communism everyone starves”
Dictatorship by definition means the person or party that dictates. A judge is not authoritarian for providing someone a fair trial regardless of how harsh or fair they are, but they are still dictating a system or an action. So when you hear “dictatorship of the proletariat”, it literally means you and everyone else controls the law. It doesn’t mean you get to decide everything it means that democracy actually involves every single person that participates instead of being “dictated” by money.
Every country expresses authority in some way, wether it’s USA something like Bay of Pigs, UK with their actions in India and Africa, USSR defeating Nazi armies and liberating concentration camps sometimes WITH the us and British. Technically Warsaw ghetto uprising was “authoritarian” and it was a good thing that they expressed authority on the Nazi regime.
Just trying to provide some clarity, a lot of people in the US truly have no idea how evil our government is and what they do overseas to help maintain your lifestyle, and it barely does a good job of maintaining our lifestyle. If anything socialist policies are always provably better at building society, and even the bare minimum in the US are people like Mamdani or Walz that prove even if you enact quasi-leftist policies like healthcare you’re an evil communist who likes dictatorship. You’re falling for it but you don’t have to, if you believe in people like AOC and other “progressive” dems like Ilhan Omar in theory you should be unlearning these things you’ve been taught by the right wing American media.
Dictatorship means there is no accountability. They do as they please no matter what you say. They have zero reason to be trustworthy.
You think Linus Torvalds is untrustworthy?
You clearly don’t understand dictatorship.
You’re just missing context.
Impress me: create a context where you want your own rights taken away. 3, 2, 1, Go!: ___________________________.
Linus Torvalds is a BDFL. dictator can have many meanings: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dictator
Not all different meanings have to do with ‘me having my rights taken away’
Dictator means you get dictated without a say. You become a puppet. Move to North Korea.
The lack of context… also were you talking about China by any chance ?
This was the original meme:
It doesn’t appear to be about any socialist country in particular, merely the idea of actually existing socialism. The closest would be Eastern European socialism such as the USSR, as it implies that said country is no longer socialist.
Meh, they don’t like to be called tankies so you are already being deregatory. I am also guilty of saying similar things and I am never surprised when I get down voted. Even if you go with campism and campist, which is more accurate, they don’t like that either. Truth hurts I guess.
They are always coming from, “this is all western imperialists propaganda.” First of all, most people know this and every bit of propaganda has some truth to it. When the CIA or some other propaganda machine picks up on what China or Russia is doing and then projects it, it is not always a lie. It is often built on some truth.
This is also true for Russian and Chinese propaganda. Being able to sort what is true and what is conjecture is important to understanding propaganda. ML cannot do this with Western Propaganda, they can only suss out their teams propaganda and they usually do a horrible job at it.
any ml instance is a blight.
the irony that .ml belongs to mali, which has an extreme conservative military junta which criminalised homosexuality.
Congrats, you get fascist rightoids then 🤷♂️
my experience on this app has been way better since I set up an instance block for the tankie triad.
Agreed. I did the same a few years back and have never regretted it. Every once in a while I will see a comment from someone in .ml and feel a bit surprised.
it only blocks you from seeing their content on their instance, not from them coming into other instances and harassing you.
Fork and defederate.
