Yes because tankies are wicked, tricksy and false.

For one, that it wasn’t much money at all and had no appreciable effect. Meanwhile the US spends billions on propaganda around the world each year, so much that no other country compares. And domestically, almost all of the influence comes from US corporations and wealthy Americans.

In my pants.

Oh, FROM.

I can’t speak to before, I just know is it’s dark when I’m there.

They can’t see that any government is going to create corruption

Uh no. We have no illusions of a utopia free of all forms of corruption. Where did you even get that idea?

Of course at the heart of the tankies is a huge amount of fud being generated by russia and the ccp.

Of course, of course: the massive amount. We’re brainwashed Soyboy and you’re free-thinking Chad. See also.

I swear to god is this c/wrong_answers_only?

Like when they starved 150,000+ of their citizens to death in the Siege of Changchun?

You’re right, they should have just laid down arms and let the fascist KMT slaughter them and run the country like Mussolini or Hirohito might have.

Maybe their rebels had real reasons and not just western propaganda.

There’s no maybe about it. You can read and hear their real reasons: they wrote them down and recorded them on tape. Go find them and see who & what you’re trying to defend.

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo6cs0_URL0
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7bE1uZpzbU
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKVXi5aW3h8

Not sure why you are so butthurt about the truth.

I’m not? The truth is what happened, not what might have happened. As for what might have happened, there would have been no violence at all if US hadn’t been there to instigate it.

I have no idea what you think that proves or disproves about the straw man argument in your head.

There was no massacre, but they also fail to realize there could have been one if things had gone differently that day.

We’re acutely aware of what would have happened if Gene Sharp, the CIA, and the goons they armed, funded, and trained had been successful.

The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent

Right? We get to this place only after having exhausted all other options, not for bloodlust or a “will to power” or whatever-the-fuck horseshoe theory straw men people make up in their heads. The Paris Commune and other methods have all failed, and to this day no other method has been successful.

There’s an endless supply of confidently incorrect Redditors who can’t help but libsplain things they know nothing about.

😂

I’d wager half or more of the tankie posts are bots, paid posters in 3rd world countries, or slave labor in 3rd world countries.

And yet no Lemmy admin will take your wager, because they have access to way more information than you do, and they don’t see evidence to support it.

Marx and his allies believed Communism can’t come about by force, only by natural progression following the unavoidable natural collapse of capitalism.

Anyone who’s done even a Marxism 101 amount of reading knows this to be false. Neither Marx, Engels, Lenin, or any other major figures said that nature will just inevitably take its course all on its own. All of them were revolutionaries who advocated for influencing its course, not standing idly by.

The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it. — Marx

Cool. Thanks for the firehose of downvotes, stalwart patriot.

If you don’t know anything about anything then stop talking and start learning stuff about things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_therapy_(economics)#Post-Communist_states

Wow, one of the twenty-odd links isn’t from a Western source? Must be a foreign secret agent!

Deeply unserious.

These kinds of answers are just the silliest. If you don’t know why we think the things we do—which you obviously don’t—then don’t “contribute” to the conversation with the first thing that pops into your head. It’s okay to not know things.

I’ll spare people a wall of text and just drop a couple of links for those interested: [1] [2]

No. The great majority of MLs on Lemmy were born, raised, and still live in the imperial core, just like most other people on Lemmy. We got the same education, indoctrination, and propaganda as everyone else, so most of us started out as liberals with largely the same beliefs as everyone else. We believed all the same Cold War propaganda as everyone else. Investigating and peeling away the layers of propaganda and lies is actually a long, slow, and not particularly pleasant, effort.

We already agreed on this, so I don’t know what your point is.