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    If it destroy Trump and all it’s goons political careers it ia possitive. He still a white supermasist and is ideology should be fought

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    “It was not intentional”

    Just couldn’t bring himself to go quite all the way to the truth.

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    The Midterm Bloodbath is going to be the Dem’s D-Day, and after that the fall of MAGA will become inevitable to anyone with half a brain.

    Carlson, and a few others, realize that, and are trying to get in front of it, presenting themselves as the smart ones who realized that MAGA had become dangerous, and broke away. They are hoping that in the post-MAGA era, they will be seen as the reasonable ones who helped guide Conservatives away from MAGA, and into whatever lie they’ll tell to replace it.

    Tucker is just getting into position for the next 20 years of his career, doing essentially the same thing, spewing propaganda. He’s pretending that he doesn’t know that he’s likely to end up in prison for a decade or so.

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      I like your optimism. Unfortunately we have to get past the fact that the current regime is setting up the option to cancel the vote. And why do you think they are replacing so many top military leaders? November will be very interesting without a doubt.

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        The Midterms are impossible to rig, that’s why they are pulling out all the voter suppression tactics, none of which are working, because the Dems are actually paying attention, and addressing the issues as they arise, unlike during the Obama or Biden administrations, where they averted their eyes, and literally pretended that nothing was going on, as we SCREAMED at them to LOOK!

        The Midterms are going to be a bloodbath, but the real battle is going to be post-election, when MAGA will claim that the Dems rigged the election (that they couldn’t rig), and Mike Johnson will refuse to step aside or swear in the new Reps. It will be a true Constitutional Crisis.

        But we will get through that, the new Reps and Senators will take their places, and we will deal with the 2028 Presidential race, which MAGA will definitely attempt to rig. Hopefully, the Dems will stop it, and won’t accept the results of it is rigged, but we’ll deal with that then.

        As for the military, I’m not too worried about them. He just got banished from an important planning meeting of military leaders, because he was in there screaming and calling them losers because two American pilots were missing, and he was worried about how it would make HIM look. Picture that, Trump exercising his ego, screaming his lunatic nonsense at trained experienced professional soldiers, pissing them off until they finally became so insubordinate that they removed his ability to call the shots in his own military operation? That’s practically a coup.

        They are all getting fired because they are refusing to carry out his orders, and that is going to continue. Every time he fired a competent moral military leader, he weakens his side, and strengthens the opposition. Those people didn’t spend their lives defending America, climbing the ranks in a notoriously difficult system, only to be tossed aside by a Traitor Pedophile. They aren’t sitting at home, sipping drinks on the veranda in their retirement, as the nation they defended burns down around them. You think they haven’t been talking to each other, making contingency plans?

        IF the future of America comes down to a violent Civil War, our side will have military competence, while their side will have unqualified loyalists.

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          The Midterms are impossible to rig, that’s why they are pulling out all the voter suppression tactics, none of which are working, because the Dems are actually paying attention, and addressing the issues as they arise, unlike during the Obama or Biden administrations, where they averted their eyes, and literally pretended that nothing was going on, as we SCREAMED at them to LOOK!

          I really don’t see this. The DNC and GOP are both on the side of capital, and the DNC seems to be fighting over whether or not Hasan is the devil.

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          Well I’d like to believe that, but for every competent person he fires, he replaces them with a loyalist and he hasn’t had a problem finding people to serve in his cult. Look at ICE. His own personal gestapo. The military follows orders. They demonstrated that when they reported for duty in Democratic states. Also think of the monumental consequences of disobeying an order.

          I hope your right. If they don’t find a way to stop the election, they will get trounced.

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            How loyal are they really? They came up in the same system their fired boss did. They probably have a loyalty to their boss, and have probably even had the talk with the boss about what to do when he gets fired.

            I suspect a lot of those who took over aren’t going to go along with atrocities against Americans either, they just haven’t had to prove it yet.

            And now we’re hearing about them tossing the Commander-In-Chief out of the room when there is real work to be done. They are already operating essentially independently from him. I also hear that they all hate Hegseth, every one of them. I am also hearing reports of soldiers at bases around the world resisting any talk of going to Iran. MAGA isn’t as in control of this military as they think they are.

            When it comes down to firing on American citizens, I doubt they’ll do it. If they don’t, it’s a big problem for MAGA. And if they do fire on American citizens, for ANY reason, it’s a BIG problem for MAGA.

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              I kind of don’t think they would fire on Americans, at least I hope not, but I believe this administration will push that as far as it can and so far with Congress approving everything, they’ve gone much further than I thought they would. I’m scared. I hope you’re right.

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      MAGA won’t reject their “values” so they’ll flock with the next charismatic leader. They are not going nowhere.

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        And just who is that “charismatic” leader? Nobody is going to release the endorphins like Trump did. Anyone else will be a poor imitation.

        They can’t even decide who has a decent shot in 2028. There is literally not a single viable candidate to take over for Trump, and that’s by design. MAGA wants to set it up so there is no natural successor to Trump, so all they can do is elect him again, no matter what the Constitution says.

        Then when he gets 98% of the vote, they’ll say that the people have spoken, and have demanded that Trump remain our president, the Constitution Be Damned!

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          Next candidate will emerge. Won’t be like Trump but will carry all the values he had to win, mainly hate for the brown gay trans muslim commies.

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            That’s not good enough. MAGA became powerful because Trump had this weird charisma that attracted as many people as it repelled. He grew MAGA into a powerhouse based on his personality alone, not his policies. He has no concrete policies other than whatever nonsense he can improve at the moment.

            MAGA is a classic Cult of Personality. He can get away with saying the insane shit he says, but nobody else can. Most of the time when a MAGA says something crazy, they all hold their breath for a moment, until Trump weighs in, then they know what to believe. It all comes down to him, and if he’s out, his influence will wane.

            As long as he’s alive, he can still influence policy, especially if the Dems are in power, like during the Biden presidency. Trump was still the defacto leader of the party, even though he held no office. But he was able to wield power only because MAGA still had the Congressional majorities. If the Dems control the White House AND Congress, then his influence will be minimal. He’ll bark a lot, but few will listen, and those few will have little to no power.

            And when he dies, his influence will die with him, and so will MAGA.

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              We’ll see, he opened up Pandora’s box of being openly shitty person. Techno billionaires do/say same things. Palantir manifesto for example.

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        Great! I encourage him, and ALL MAGAs to run. It can only help to have them all screaming worn-out nonsensical propaganda, attacking each other, accusing each other of crimes, etc.

        By the time they begrudgingly agree on a candidate that 3/4 of them will hate, they will have done most of the job for the Dems.

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          This comment reminds me of when clinton encouraged trump to run because she thought it’d be an easy win.

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            This is different. Once Trump loses his political viability, the MAGA Cult of Personality ends, and the back-stabbing begins. Having a stage full of MAGA psychopaths trying to tear each other up, blaming each other for the obvious MAGA failures, is exactly what America, and the Democrats, need.

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                Who would that be? Kevin Soros? Dean Cain? Kid Rock? Don Jr? There’s no new celebrity waiting in the wings. Trump had been groomed for this since 1987. He was their only shot. With Orban out of the picture, and Trump out of the picture, the last 50 years of the Russian backed conservative movement will collapse and die. With Russia on the brink of collapse themselves (they are barely alive only because Trump removed oil sanctions against them, otherwise they’d be dead broke), it will take another few decades to rebuild, and the West will be watching closer this time.

                MAGA didn’t exist before Trump, and it won’t exist after Trump. It simply doesn’t exist without Trump.

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                  You need to diversify your news consumption, you can dislike Russia and reactionary movements and simultaneously engage with reality

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                  russia russia russia

                  They’re billionaire backed, and last I checked, billionaires were in no danger of collapse.

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              What will happen is candidates will tear each other apart and the winner will get all. Republicans unify behind whoever wins and will vote in lockstep. Cheering on the worst candidates thinking this won’t happen is foolish.

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                MAGA is already coming apart. They are a Cult of Personality, and will not survive without Trump as their leader. There will be conflicting messages and priorities, and they’ll be attacking each other viciously and relentlessly. The Conservative Propaganda Machine will fracture, and start supporting different candidates, and different new conservative political models, MAGA will be desperately fighting to maintain power, etc. It will take them at least a couple of election cycles to get their shit together and become viable again, time when they can’t really fight the Dems effectively.

                It will be a golden opportunity for the Dems, if they can keep their shit together, and maybe they will. Leadership has changed at the DNC, and they seem a bit more competent and winner focused than they have been for the last few decades. They’ve managed the amazing record of Democratic wins over the last year, and they are still going strong. The DHS shutdown continues, the gerrymandering battle is going well, and the Midterms look like it’s going to be a vicious bloodbath for MAGA.

                It has always been clear that the Dems didn’t really have to do anything but get out of MAGA’s way, and they’d destroy themselves with their virtuosic incompetence. However, the Dems are actually doing a decent job of accelerating the MAGA downfall, so let’s encourage that.

                Stop telling the Dems that we expect them to do nothing when they take back power. We don’t expect nothing, we expect ACTION, and bold, strong, unforgiving action at that. MAGA is a proven National Security Threat, and needs to be harshly crushed and purged from our government, and our society. It has no place in our world any more than the KKK or the Nazis. We don’t allow them to contribute to a moral society, and MAGA will join them. Dems need to understand that we won’t tolerate politeness towards Traitors/ Racists/ Pedophiles, and we want to see them punished harshly, no matter how far up the food chain they are. NOBODY gets a pass.

                Stop saying that Trump and MAGA will get away with it, and make it crystal clear that we will not tolerate that. Any Dem who attempts to promote a policy of appeasement/ forgiveness/ “looking forward”/ etc. needs to lose their political career. If you aren’t in Congress to fight, then get out, and make room for someone who is willing to fight.

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                  Obama promoted a policy of forgiveness/moving forward after bush killed a million people and he’s still a major feature in the party. I want more out of the dems but if your expectations are them taking real action to punish republicans for their crimes idk what to tell you

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          Hahahahahaha. You have fully drank Blue MAGA kool-aid that if everyone just gets behind Hillary and Kamala it will be fine.

          CIA Tucker will have the easiest dub of his life.

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            What the fuck are you talking about? I’m not a Democrat, and I couldn’t stand Hilary or Harris, or any other Democrat that has run for president in my lifetime. I just hated the Republicans even more. As much as Hillary and Harris turn my stomach, they aren’t treasonous pedophiles like ALL MAGAs. I am not supporting them, or any other lame corrupt corporatist establishment Democrat.

            I’m supporting the Democrat who has a credible plan for crushing and purging MAGA, and prosecuting MAGA criminals, and intends to follow through on it.

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                So what? The Clintons are just as gross as Trump or Epstein. And friends? They’re all sociopaths, they don’t have friends, just allies or enemies, which shift as required.

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    This is what controlled opposition does.

    They (Carlson, Owens, Jones, et al), will all distance themselves from trump because they know he hasn’t got long left so will play the “We got it wrong. This one’s on us but stick with us” because they were grooming the maga crowd for his replacement and prepping the “blame it all on the last guy” routine.

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      I’ve listened to how he talks about MAGA now. Dudes 100% playing a character. This is what he thinks libruls sound like

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    Carlson also spent last week ranting about how the “civic religion” of elites is Israelism (whatever the hell that means). And he backed up that conclusion with the old “If you want to know who rules over you, just look for who you are not allowed to criticize”, which is a quote from a Neo Nazi.

    He’s a bad actor who launders white nationalist talking points. He goes where he thinks his audience wants him to go. Don’t give him credit for finally changing his rhetoric against Trump. It won’t last.

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      Obviously Carlson isn’t a good guy all of a sudden. What’s interesting is that there is clearly a split in maga now because war on Iran turned out to be such an utter debacle.

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        The split seems to have started with the Epstein files and It’s starting to grow. I’m curious to see how overt it will become. Will it simply result in lower republican voter turnout? Or will a high number of former allies in government start to turn on him?

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          We might seem something like how his pedo pick Roy Moore lost to a Democrat in Alabama because Republican turnout was so low. Idk about an overt MAGA civil war. Most people I know who voted MAGA are just really quiet now and “don’t want to talk about politics.”

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          I think Trump’s days are numbered after Epstein and Iran debacles. And it’s almost certain that Carlson is angling to grab a chunk of the base when the infighting get serious.

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            People (&the media) have been saying his days are numbered for literal years and the ‘split’ ‘gap’ ‘break’ ‘riff’ in his base is just another talking point for clicks in most news articles.

            All I’m saying is, I’ll believe it when I see it.

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              If there’s one thing his base cares about it’s gas prices, and they’re going to be going through the roof once the actual shortages start to hit. So far it’s just been market speculation driving them because tankers take a while to arrive. The shipments that were supposed to leave when the strait was closed would’ve been arriving in the next week or so, and when that doesn’t happen that’s when the real fun starts. I just don’t see how he’s going to climb out of the hole he dug for himself here.

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        There’s always a split in maga.

        First it was the epstein stuff, then it was tarrifs, then it’s the iran war.

        But they keep forgiving him and bowing down. I’ve reached the conclusion that maga are unsalvagable as people.

        You can find the most angry violent hateful dog, and rehab them into being a better happier dog. I used to think you could do the same with maga.

        Nope.

        They’re so braindead that they’ll accept ANYTHING he does. Anything.

        Place tarrifs? Booooooo…oh, alright.

        Rape kids? Boooooo…oh, alright.

        Raise gas prices? Boooooooo…oh, alright.

        Go to war? Boooooo…oh, alright.

        Break into my house, and rape my wife? Boooooooo…oh, alright.

        I made that last one up, but stand by the fact that’s exactly how it would play out if trump went door to door raping peoples wives right in front of them.

        These people are mentally absent and morally bankrupt.

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          What you’re missing here is that people treat politics as sports ball when they fail to connect it to their daily lives. As the economic situation in the US continues to decline, Trump supporters will start having problems paying their bills and making ends meet just like everyone else. They will turn on him, and it will get ugly. What Carlson is most likely doing here is setting himself up as an alternative, and he’ll harness that anger for his own purposes.

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            I read a story maybe 2 months ago where farmers in Idaho had everyone they hired on their farm deported from an ICE raid. Without cheap labor, they were forced to sell their farm. The farm owners said they realized it was trumps policies that did this.

            There was a different story involving a family owned lumbermill. It had been family run for over a century. It wasn’t ICE raids, but some other new policy trump enacted.

            In both cases, they were trump voters. Full on maga. They admitted it was trumps fault. They also said they’d vote for him again.

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              Like that braniac Argentine that can’t pay her bills and plans on voting Milei. I had a conversation today with a client who is extremely naïve, poor, and entitled, but one thing we agree, all these people on the Hill and in positions of influence promoting them are probably drugged out of the galaxy.

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              Blue maga is when you blame the GOP instead of the rotten core of the US empire for the problems with the daily live of an average American.

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              Neoliberals who unconditionally support the Democrat establishment and blame the left for everything etc

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              They actually want to make America great again, by taxing billionaires out of existence, breaking up all monopolies, punishing greedy CEOs the French way, boosting union memberships, blowing up all oil pipelines and refineries, and bringing down the current capitalist banking system?

              Just guessing lol

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      He’s only changing it outwardly because he’s losing money finally. He smells MAGA going down relatively soon and wants to distance himself so he can run in 2028.

      This smug white nationalist fuck will get what he deserves.

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        Losing money how? Tucker was already going against the establishment even before the current war. Look at the 5th and final episode of his 9/11 documentary last year, where he interviews John Kiriakou: https://rumble.com/v70k53m-the-911-files-from-tragedy-to-tyranny-ep-5.html

        I wouldn’t trust Tucker or anyone to be president, but I like that Tucker at least admits his mistakes, including his mistake of opposing the 9/11 truth movement and being rude to them. He pretty much turned against the establishment after he was fired from Fox. He did dumb political hatchet jobs for years, then finally started to make real programmes.

        I can’t yet see how Tucker would run for president as soon as 2028. What would he do, apologise to republicans, tone down his criticism of the war, and tone down his support for the 9/11 truth movement? I can’t imagine a 9/11 truth president just yet. Anything is possible tho.

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      “Israelism” = Zionism.

      I never even thought I’d say this, but if he really said “Israelism”, he may be one of the few right-wing people who aren’t committing the gravest form of antisemitism: conflating all Jews and the Jewish faith as a whole with the sins of Israel the state, its leaders and its supporters.

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      “If you want to know who rules over you, just look for who you are not allowed to criticize”

      What is wrong with this statement? Geniune question.

      In China you are not allowed to criticize the central government.

      In north korea, you are not allowed to criticize the Kim Jong Un government.

      In South Korea you were not allowed to criticize KMT during the 40 year dictatorship backed by the US.

      In the US and Germany, you lose your job or funding or get kicked out of uni or lose your Visa or get jailed if you criticize Netanyahu or Israel.

      Someone please explain what is wrong with this statement, it’s a genuine question.

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        You’re not allowed to criticize orphans either. They don’t rule over you, they just have it hard enough already and really don’t need the criticism.

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          This is based on the assumption that orphans are underprivileged and aren’t capable of harming others. Which I agree with.

          But Israel isn’t underprivileged. They definitely are capable of harming others and continue to do so everyday.

          Orphans don’t train dogs to rape other people.

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    He did whatever he thought was going to make him the most amount of money.

    He’s still doing it.

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    OK but how can anyone trust a guy who literally defended himself in court by saying that a reasonable person wouldn’t believe him?

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    This has nothing to do with the fact that all supporters of the current Israeli government are literally fascists genocidal racist antisemites… nothing at all…

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    Cool. Now he’ll use some of his frozen not-quite-food fortune to lobby and correct several issues, right? 🤣🤣🤣

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    Anybody with more than 2 brain cells to rub together could see how stupid and corrupt Rump was the first time he was in office. There are only 2 types of people that support Rump. Either completely uneducated morons , and intelligent people that just like to watch the world burn…that’s it period!!

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      And those who appreciate the corrupt environment that MAGA protects, making it easy to steal. For many MAGAs it’s not about politics, it’s about AVARICE.

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    He’s so full of shit and doesn’t mean a word.

    If he’s truly remorseful he’ll go away forever and never take another cent for his name or politics.

    By continuing to be a voice in any way about any subject shows this is just charade to distance himself from the man he worships. And if he didn’t really worship him, he worshipped the money he took to serve him. Go work at Walgreens or just retire idgaf, but just go away forever if you’re actually sorry.

    Otherwise every minute he exists as a media figure is a further endorsement that he begged and prayed for everything Trump has done or will ever do and he stands behind him, no matter what he says.

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      Yeah I mean this isn’t a Face Turn on his part, he’s a bigoted fascist who’s pissed off that Trump’s bigoted fascism has its list of targets in a slightly different order to his