Oh yeah, let’s just see what a Chinese dissident artist has to say about it https://www.reuters.com/world/china/ai-weiwei-says-west-lacks-moral-authority-criticise-beijing-rights-2026-01-29/

Something something, it’s easy to feed propaganda to racists?

The whole conspiracy theory started with a claim of millions of Uyghurs being supposedly imprisoned story is based on two highly dubious “studies.”.

However, this claim is completely absurd when you stop and think about it even for a minute. That figure 1 million is repeated again and again. Let’s just look at how much space would you actually need to intern one million people.

This is a photo of Rikers Island, New York City’s biggest prison. The actual size of a facility interning ten thousand people.

According to Wikipedia, “The average daily inmate population on the island is about 10,000, although it can hold a maximum of 15,000.” Let’s assume this is a Xinjiang detention camp, holding ten to fifteen thousand people. How many of these would it take to hold one million people?

Let’s do some math:

In reality, one million people would probably take more space; all the supposed detention camps we see are much less dense than Rikers.

For comparison, San Francisco is 47 square miles. Amsterdam is 64 square miles. You’d literally need detention camps that total the size of San Francisco or Amsterdam to intern one million Uyghurs. It’d be like looking at a map of California. There’s Los Angeles. There’s San Diego. And look, there’s San Francisco Concentration City with its one million Uyghurs.

Literally visible to the naked eye from space.

CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, but their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals. Based on this absurdly small sample of research subjects in an area whose total population is 20 million, CHRD “extrapolated estimates” that “at least 10% of villagers […] are being detained in re-education detention camps, and 20% are being forced to attend day/evening re-education camps in the villages or townships, totaling 30% in both types of camps.” Furthermore, it doesn’t even make sense from logistics perspective.

Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he’s the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I’m talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.

Zenz is a born-again Christian who lectures at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible to be the ultimate foundation and the final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.”

Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.”.

Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.

Zenz outlined these views in a book he co-authored in 2012, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation. In the tome, Zenz discussed the return of Jesus Christ, the coming wrath of God, and the rise of the Antichrist.

The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it’s clear that the methodology of his “research” doesn’t pass any kind of muster when examined closely.

It’s also worth noting that there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:

US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they’ve been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west. In fact, US even classified Uyghur separatists as a terrorist group at one point https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-was-at-war-uyghur-terrorists-now-claims-etim-doesnt-exist/276916/

Here’s an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/Son-of-imam-assassinated-in-Kashgar-s-2014-mosque-attack-speaks-out-RqNiyrcRuo/index.html

Here’s an account from a Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on “atrocities” are lies. https://dailytimes.com.pk/723317/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-about-xinjiang/

It’s also worth noting that the accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.

• https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/on-eid-xinjiang-imams-defend-china-against-u-s-criticism-1.5425967
• https://www.bolnews.com/latest/2023/07/pak-religious-leaders-nurture-bonds-of-cooperation-with-xinjiang/
• https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/islamic-envoys-say-china-is-protecting-minorities-in-xinjiang-after-five-day-visit

Also notable that whenever western media actually deigns to visit Xinjiang, which is not often, they’re unable to produce support for any of their claims of mass imprisonment and oppression, so they opt for insinuations instead https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9

Ah so what you know is what your lazy propagandists feed you because they don’t have to try hard to convince racists imbeciles of absurdities.

Yeah, I’m sure some internet troll knows better than Nobel winning scientists moving to China where there’s more academic freedom. 🤡

and yes, it’s a real article https://www.wsj.com/health/wellness/ditch-the-40-ounce-water-bottle-youre-probably-hydrated-enough-c62affd9

seems like a very probable scenario

loads fine for me, the toot links to archive too which is slow https://web.archive.org/web/20260828071449/https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2

I’d argue commercial platforms like reddit attract toxicity because that’s what keeps people engaged. There have actually studies been done on the subject of how Facebook directly encouraged that because being angry kept people scrolling. But when you take the commercial interest out of the picture, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with people having disagreements and debate because that’s how we learn things. Having your views challenged is not a bad thing if it’s done in a constructive fashion. You learn different points of view, and to put yourself in the shoes of other people which broadens your perspective. Forums where you can’t have disagreement often turn into echo chambers which isn’t really a healthy thing.

Not sure I follow why social media participants should not have any views of their own. We’re all humans, we each have opinions and biases. We should absolutely share our stances and discuss them to learn from each other.

truly

indeed

It’s kind of funny to watch libs having to do Olympic levels of mental gymnastics to avoid having to acknowledge the reality of Ukraine.

Yeah, the position of having facts on my side.

Ukraine forfeited sovereignty all the way back in 2014 when the democratically elected government was overthrown by the west to install the current fascist regime you support. Also, you’re the only one talking about any justifying. I’m simply pointing out the basic facts of the situation and that the war was provoked. Talking about justifications is a moral argument which I’m not making. But if you had any morals at all you obviously wouldn’t align with literal fascists.

Yes, the plan was published before the events happened. That’s how plans work, you make them before you execute them.

Meanwhile, The Hill article explains how easy it is to manipulate people of low intellect using propaganda:

I rarely agree with President Trump, but his latest controversial statements about Ukraine are mostly true. They seem preposterous only because western audiences have been fed a steady diet of disinformation about Ukraine for more than a decade. It is time to set the record straight on three key points that illuminate why Ukrainians and former President Joe Biden — not merely Russian President Vladimir Putin — bear significant responsibility for the outbreak and perpetuation of war in Ukraine.

I understand why you’re so upset though. After all, you undoubtedly support the regime in Ukraine because of your shared values.

I bet Andrii Biletskyi, commander of Ukraine’s Third Army Corps who just got awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine, a presidential decree is your role model.

The key figures in the Azov Battalion are its commander, Andriy Biletsky, and his deputy, Ihor Mosiychuk.

Andriy Biletsky is also the leader of a Ukrainian organisation called the Social National Assembly. Its aims are stated in one of their online publications:

“to prepare Ukraine for further expansion and to struggle for the liberation of the entire White Race from the domination of the internationalist speculative capital”

“to punish severely sexual perversions and any interracial contacts that lead to the extinction of the white man”

• https://english.nv.ua/russian-war/third-army-corps-commander-andrii-biletskyi-awarded-hero-of-ukraine-title-50635207.html
• https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28329329

bold of you to assume that libs are aligned with the nazis out of ignorance

Not sure what part of premeditated action confuses you here. The paper describes how and why the war was provoked, and the benefits the strategic US expected to see from it.

And of course, the RAND paper isn’t the only document. Here’s an article from August 2021 advocating inflicting a military defeat on Russia in Ukraine to subjugate it and draw it away from China. https://nationalinterest.org/feature/strategy-avoiding-two-front-war-192137

Furthermore, the idea that NATO threatens Russia doesn’t even come from Russia. Plenty of western experts have been saying this for many decades, as anybody who’s not an utter ignoramus would know. This only became controversial to mention after the war started. Here’s what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:

https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/

Gorbachev warned about this. All these experts were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.

And even mainstream western media such as The Hill now openly admits the facts https://thehill.com/opinion/5198022-ukraine-conflict-disinformation

All of this is well documented and well known. Only a person of deep and profound ignorance would attempt to argue otherwise.

The paper literally describes how and why the war was provoked. Maybe spend a bit of time learning to read so as not to make a clown of yourself in public in the future.

The proxy war NATO intentionally provoked as was extensively documented in US policy papers such as this one https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

The real discussion we should be having is that copyrights are a cancer and need to be abolished.