It’s a completely different situation in China. This tech is being treated as open source commodity similar to Linux, and companies aren’t trying to monetize it directly. There’s no crazy investment bonanza happening in China either. Companies like DeepSeek are developing this tech on fairly modest budgets, and they’re already starting to make money https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/30/cnbcs-the-china-connection-newsletter-chinese-ai-companies-make-money.html

I mean the paper and code are published. This isn’t a heuristic, so there’s no loss of accuracy. I’m not sure why you’re saying this is too good to be true, the whole tech is very new and there are lots of low hanging fruit for optimizations that people are discovering. Every few months some discovery like this is made right now. Eventually, people will pluck all the easy wins and it’s going to get harder to dramatically improve performance, but for the foreseeable future we’ll be seeing a lot more stuff like this.

Almost certainly given that it drastically reduces the cost of running models. Whether you run them locally or it’s a company selling a service, the benefits here are pretty clear.

Sure, it’s not a surprising finding since the environment is a stable selection pressure driving evolution. It’s still nice to have these studies to confirm our intuition on the subject.

That’s still interaction with the environment though, what this research shows is that even without any such interaction the structures form. So, they’re not shaped by the environment, but are a type of firmware that’s encoded within the genes.

lol

truly

Also, the part about chips burning out faster than expected will become a real problem in a few years. You need rare earths to produce chips, and China has an effective monopoly on refining them. China will obviously prioritize its own domestic use. As Chinese companies continue to ramp up production of chips, solar panels, EVs, and so on, there will be less and less available for export. Even if the government wanted to help the US for some reason, it would be politically impossible for them to say they will starve their own industries to supply the US.

Meanwhile, even under the most aggressive diversification scenarios, China is projected to maintain around 80% of global refining capacity all the way through 2040s. So once the current supply of chips burns out, it is not clear how new ones will be made outside of China.

We are witnessing the purest expression of imperial hypocrisy. For years, the US propaganda apparatus diligently constructed a fable, a so called “debt trap” mythology, to frighten the nations of the Global South away from China’s Belt and Road Initiative. It was a tale of predatory lending designed to isolate and contain a strategic competitor.

And yet, what do we find? The most eager client for these very loans, to the tune of over 200 billion dollars, was none other than the United States itself. Turns out that the entire narrative was a conscious fraud. They never believed their own warnings. They recognized that Chinese financing was a credible, attractive alternative to the stranglehold of Western financial institutions.

So, while publicly sounding the alarm to scare away other customers, the empire privately availed itself of the service. Here we see the very essence of imperial strategy. Its goal is to monopolize the very resources and opportunities it denies to others, all while cloaking its cynical self interest in the righteous language of concern.

There has been a theory that the weights for the neural connections get mostly shaped by the environment, but this research shows that there’s effectively firmware wiring that will emerge without any external stimulus.

I literally addressed your ‘argument’ in detail, and you just continued to double down on your bullshit. You’re a troll, and an artless one at that. You’re not fooling anybody here.

hey it works great on reddit :)

I haven’t tried it with ollama, but it can download gguf files directly if you point it to a huggingface repo. There are a few other runners like vllm and llama.cpp, you can also just run the project directly with Python. I expect the whole Product of Experts algorithm is going to get adopted by all models going forward since it’s such a huge improvement, and you can just swap out the current approach.

I’m still using my pixel 5 with lineageos on it, works fine

You’re just projecting here. If the standard of living of the regular people didn’t matter to the party, then these sorts of things would not be happening in China today.

90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes

The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf

Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8SvK0E5dI

From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China’s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4

From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&amp%3Blocations=CN&amp%3Bstart=2008

Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j

Student debt in China is virtually non-existent because education is not run for profit. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jlim/2016/08/29/why-china-doesnt-have-a-student-debt-problem/

The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9

If you want to contrast with a country where the elites don’t care about the people, then look no further than India. Both countries started roughly at the same level of development back in the 50s and the difference today could not be more stark.

Even from purely selfish perspective, it’s obvious that social stability is what allows the elites to enjoy their life style. A social collapse would not be good for them. While the US is run by imbeciles without any vision, that doesn’t mean China is. The reality is that despite that chart you linked, China is making by far the most progress of any country in transitioning of using fossil fuels.

China’s carbon emissions have been in a structural decline since 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/13/chinas-carbon-emissions-set-for-structural-decline-from-next-year

Clean energy was top driver of China’s economic growth in 2023 https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-was-top-driver-of-chinas-economic-growth-in-2023/

China installed more solar in 2025 than rest of the world combined https://electrek.co/2025/09/02/h1-2025-china-installs-more-solar-than-rest-of-the-world-combined/

China’s solar capacity surges; predicted to top 1 TW by 2026 https://www.rystadenergy.com/news/china-s-solar-capacity-surges-expected-to-top-1-tw-by-2026

China is also building out nuclear at a breakneck pace https://www.economist.com/china/2023/11/30/china-is-building-nuclear-reactors-faster-than-any-other-country

New energy vehicles account for 77.6% of China’s public transport system https://www.shine.cn/news/nation/2403089981/

Not only that, but they’re also actively exporting tech like solar panels around the world. So, countries like Pakistan are now decarbonizing as well https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/01/climate/pakistan-solar-boom

We are headed for difficult times ahead, but some countries will face these challenges collectively and their societies will come together, meanwhile others will tear themselves apart.

Indeed, the whole idea of switching phones and computer every year or two is absolutely insane. And the worst part is that nothing even improves from user perspective. I have a laptop from 2015 I put Linux on, and it flies. It’s as good a daily driver for most tasks as any laptop you could grab today.

the contradictions are sharpening

The only person inventing massive conspiracies in this conversation is you. Now you can add straw man arguments to the growing list of nonsense you are producing.

I think you are nothing more than a troll who argues for the sake of it, without a single honest bone in your body. You are the epitome of a reddit debate bro, substituting sophistry for genuine argument in a pathetic attempt to score imaginary points. You are very transparent.

You keep trying to conflate two entirely separate issues, a sad attempt at an argument I have already dismantled in detail. You have brought forward nothing new and you’re just regurgitating the same old drivel here. Take the L and move on.

I have not moved the goalposts. My position has been perfectly consistent. You are misusing a loaded term to fabricate a narrative.

Let’s be crystal clear since you are struggling with the definition. Press ganging is not a synonym for conscription. It refers to the illegal and forcible impressment of individuals into military service. What that looks like is kidnapping people from streets or their homes outside of any legal framework. That’s what you implied is happening in Russia, and it is a blatant falsehood.

What you are describing in Russia is the legal process of conscription, which includes standard penalties for evasion. These penalties like fines, license suspensions, and travel bans are common consequences for dodging a mandatory draft in many nations, including many US allies. To call this press ganging is deliberate sensationalism.

Meanwhile, in Ukraine, the very phenomenon you mistakenly accuse Russia of is a well documented reality. There have been numerous verified reports of recruiters literally grabbing men off the street and from public transport to forcibly conscript them, often without any paperwork or due process. That is what actual press-ganging looks like. It is happening there, not in Russia.

Your argument tries to blur the line between a legal state run conscription system and outright criminal abduction. They are not the same. The goalposts have not moved. You are just trying to score a point on a field that does not exist in reality. The facts are clear, and your conflation of them is intellectually dishonest.

You mean they imposed economic dictatorship where capitalist own businesses and decide how they operate in autocratic manner. Economic democracy would be literally the opposite of capitalism where you have publicly owned industry and worker cooperatives where workers are able to exercise democratic control.