Of course being pro genocide lost Harris votes. The DNC is fine with Republicans (including Trump) winning so long as they can preclude the left, which is the actual purpose of the Democratic party. Most of the base will happily be useful idiots and spend their energy punching left rather than allow any criticism of the party, all the while calling the left naive and blaming them for losing elections.
Gotta court the rightwing vote 'cause the leftwing vote can just be corraled with endless repetitions of “If you don’t vote for us you’re voting for Trump”.
Oh my friend, you read like an undercover right-wing plant. It’s fairly obvious to anyone with a conscience that genocide is the simplest and most important issue that a candidate could fuck up. And Harris did that.
Let’s compare issues. I would say that on various issues (immigration, defense spending, health care) her stances were certainly not left-wing. Center, center-right, pro-corporate, that’s what I would say. And these are important issues. But I think it’s also true that she could have maintained many of those stances and still win. After all, previous Democrat presidents did.
If you’re afraid to say that genocide is wrong, and actively work to stop it, you deserve to lose.
It’s not even just genocide, it’s trust. Exactly how much trust should we put in a candidate who participated in supporting and covering for a genocide? Sure, she aligns with my issues slightly more than Trump. What good is that if she’s a liar too? It’s no damn wonder people didn’t show up to vote.
That’s not how elections work. It’s way more complicated than identifying the lesser of two evils, especially when turnout is a factor.
It’s also not all about voting, it’s also about organizing and outreach. Sure, I voted for Harris. Did I make calls for her, put up signs, or canvas the neighborhood? Fuck no. The last thing I want to do is try to convince people to vote for a candidate I hate. Enthusiasm matters, especially for Democrats. Harris had a shit ground game, and that’s why.
I’m enthusiastic about voting against fascism, and I’ve done so in every election in my adult life. It’s really not that complicated. The only reason to make it complicated is increasing profit factor for media conglomerates, which I guess somewhat explains what’s happening to your country.
Republicans are liberal fascists and establishment Democrats are fascist liberals. There was no realistic “against fascism” option on the ballot. I took the harm reduction path and voted for the fascist liberal, but that’s irrelevant.
Yes, media consolidation was a huge factor. Russian influence operations were likely another. Both are dwarfed though by the impact of constant lies and betrayals from establishment Democrats.
I strongly agree that allowing Trump to win was a really dumb move. However, I do understand how people got there. It makes total sense that the Democrats lost, given their history and the campaign Harris ran. I don’t think that’s an “American” thing. We’re hardly the first to elect a demagogue when neoliberalism fails.
Of all eligible voters, around 2/3 didn’t vote for Harris. (1/3 stayed home or cast protest votes). Of that group, I have the least problem with those who were (de)motivated by a candidate who actively participated in the commission of a genocide.
then you should not be content with the lesser of two evils, and playing the blame game instead of joining us in attacking the dnc until it gives up what we want… instead of enabling the very pattern that got us into this mess to begin with. but here we are.
you probably blame people for not voting hillary clinton as well even though she promoted trump as a punching bag and still managed to lose. on top of all the other bull shit she was up to.
you are too focused on short term ceding of ground to a slow fall right instead of fighting against all rightward movement
Fun fact: everyone who doesn’t support the exact amount of genocide Harris did is actually a Russian. Especially if they’re spewing bullshit like “that crosses a line” or “Jesus Christ it’s literally genocide”.
Of course being pro genocide lost Harris votes. The DNC is fine with Republicans (including Trump) winning so long as they can preclude the left, which is the actual purpose of the Democratic party. Most of the base will happily be useful idiots and spend their energy punching left rather than allow any criticism of the party, all the while calling the left naive and blaming them for losing elections.
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I dunno, maybe we should have an election to see. Oh, wait, we did. I guess you have your answer. So what should the Democrats do about that?
Field a candidate which is not evil?!
If they want to they’re the solution for the problem of their own making.
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Gotta court the rightwing vote 'cause the leftwing vote can just be corraled with endless repetitions of “If you don’t vote for us you’re voting for Trump”.
After all, that worked so well last time …
Yes indeed.
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Oh my friend, you read like an undercover right-wing plant. It’s fairly obvious to anyone with a conscience that genocide is the simplest and most important issue that a candidate could fuck up. And Harris did that.
Let’s compare issues. I would say that on various issues (immigration, defense spending, health care) her stances were certainly not left-wing. Center, center-right, pro-corporate, that’s what I would say. And these are important issues. But I think it’s also true that she could have maintained many of those stances and still win. After all, previous Democrat presidents did.
If you’re afraid to say that genocide is wrong, and actively work to stop it, you deserve to lose.
It’s not even just genocide, it’s trust. Exactly how much trust should we put in a candidate who participated in supporting and covering for a genocide? Sure, she aligns with my issues slightly more than Trump. What good is that if she’s a liar too? It’s no damn wonder people didn’t show up to vote.
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That’s not how elections work. It’s way more complicated than identifying the lesser of two evils, especially when turnout is a factor.
It’s also not all about voting, it’s also about organizing and outreach. Sure, I voted for Harris. Did I make calls for her, put up signs, or canvas the neighborhood? Fuck no. The last thing I want to do is try to convince people to vote for a candidate I hate. Enthusiasm matters, especially for Democrats. Harris had a shit ground game, and that’s why.
I’m enthusiastic about voting against fascism, and I’ve done so in every election in my adult life. It’s really not that complicated. The only reason to make it complicated is increasing profit factor for media conglomerates, which I guess somewhat explains what’s happening to your country.
Republicans are liberal fascists and establishment Democrats are fascist liberals. There was no realistic “against fascism” option on the ballot. I took the harm reduction path and voted for the fascist liberal, but that’s irrelevant.
Yes, media consolidation was a huge factor. Russian influence operations were likely another. Both are dwarfed though by the impact of constant lies and betrayals from establishment Democrats.
I strongly agree that allowing Trump to win was a really dumb move. However, I do understand how people got there. It makes total sense that the Democrats lost, given their history and the campaign Harris ran. I don’t think that’s an “American” thing. We’re hardly the first to elect a demagogue when neoliberalism fails.
Of all eligible voters, around 2/3 didn’t vote for Harris. (1/3 stayed home or cast protest votes). Of that group, I have the least problem with those who were (de)motivated by a candidate who actively participated in the commission of a genocide.
then you should not be content with the lesser of two evils, and playing the blame game instead of joining us in attacking the dnc until it gives up what we want… instead of enabling the very pattern that got us into this mess to begin with. but here we are.
you probably blame people for not voting hillary clinton as well even though she promoted trump as a punching bag and still managed to lose. on top of all the other bull shit she was up to.
you are too focused on short term ceding of ground to a slow fall right instead of fighting against all rightward movement
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I can get disgusted by genocide all by myself.
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Fun fact: everyone who doesn’t support the exact amount of genocide Harris did is actually a Russian. Especially if they’re spewing bullshit like “that crosses a line” or “Jesus Christ it’s literally genocide”.
the brave pro genocide democrat lol, you people deserve a century of humiliation
Is almost been 250 years actually
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God, I wish I were called Soviet Robot too, that sounds pretty fucking epic
To be fair, you kinda have to be to support the IDF.
Yea i can tell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Bill_Clinton_and_Jeffrey_Epstein
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Calls others bots, cant imagine people being able to do more than 2 things at the same time.
Blue MAGA proving they arent too different from their brothers in red
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Is the right wing push in the room with us now?
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How dare you spread that pedophile propaganda in here! I never…
Amazing.
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