Oh my friend, you read like an undercover right-wing plant. It’s fairly obvious to anyone with a conscience that genocide is the simplest and most important issue that a candidate could fuck up. And Harris did that.
Let’s compare issues. I would say that on various issues (immigration, defense spending, health care) her stances were certainly not left-wing. Center, center-right, pro-corporate, that’s what I would say. And these are important issues. But I think it’s also true that she could have maintained many of those stances and still win. After all, previous Democrat presidents did.
If you’re afraid to say that genocide is wrong, and actively work to stop it, you deserve to lose.
It’s not even just genocide, it’s trust. Exactly how much trust should we put in a candidate who participated in supporting and covering for a genocide? Sure, she aligns with my issues slightly more than Trump. What good is that if she’s a liar too? It’s no damn wonder people didn’t show up to vote.
That’s not how elections work. It’s way more complicated than identifying the lesser of two evils, especially when turnout is a factor.
It’s also not all about voting, it’s also about organizing and outreach. Sure, I voted for Harris. Did I make calls for her, put up signs, or canvas the neighborhood? Fuck no. The last thing I want to do is try to convince people to vote for a candidate I hate. Enthusiasm matters, especially for Democrats. Harris had a shit ground game, and that’s why.
I’m enthusiastic about voting against fascism, and I’ve done so in every election in my adult life. It’s really not that complicated. The only reason to make it complicated is increasing profit factor for media conglomerates, which I guess somewhat explains what’s happening to your country.
Republicans are liberal fascists and establishment Democrats are fascist liberals. There was no realistic “against fascism” option on the ballot. I took the harm reduction path and voted for the fascist liberal, but that’s irrelevant.
Yes, media consolidation was a huge factor. Russian influence operations were likely another. Both are dwarfed though by the impact of constant lies and betrayals from establishment Democrats.
I strongly agree that allowing Trump to win was a really dumb move. However, I do understand how people got there. It makes total sense that the Democrats lost, given their history and the campaign Harris ran. I don’t think that’s an “American” thing. We’re hardly the first to elect a demagogue when neoliberalism fails.
Of all eligible voters, around 2/3 didn’t vote for Harris. (1/3 stayed home or cast protest votes). Of that group, I have the least problem with those who were (de)motivated by a candidate who actively participated in the commission of a genocide.
then you should not be content with the lesser of two evils, and playing the blame game instead of joining us in attacking the dnc until it gives up what we want… instead of enabling the very pattern that got us into this mess to begin with. but here we are.
you probably blame people for not voting hillary clinton as well even though she promoted trump as a punching bag and still managed to lose. on top of all the other bull shit she was up to.
you are too focused on short term ceding of ground to a slow fall right instead of fighting against all rightward movement
Oh my friend, you read like an undercover right-wing plant. It’s fairly obvious to anyone with a conscience that genocide is the simplest and most important issue that a candidate could fuck up. And Harris did that.
Let’s compare issues. I would say that on various issues (immigration, defense spending, health care) her stances were certainly not left-wing. Center, center-right, pro-corporate, that’s what I would say. And these are important issues. But I think it’s also true that she could have maintained many of those stances and still win. After all, previous Democrat presidents did.
If you’re afraid to say that genocide is wrong, and actively work to stop it, you deserve to lose.
It’s not even just genocide, it’s trust. Exactly how much trust should we put in a candidate who participated in supporting and covering for a genocide? Sure, she aligns with my issues slightly more than Trump. What good is that if she’s a liar too? It’s no damn wonder people didn’t show up to vote.
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That’s not how elections work. It’s way more complicated than identifying the lesser of two evils, especially when turnout is a factor.
It’s also not all about voting, it’s also about organizing and outreach. Sure, I voted for Harris. Did I make calls for her, put up signs, or canvas the neighborhood? Fuck no. The last thing I want to do is try to convince people to vote for a candidate I hate. Enthusiasm matters, especially for Democrats. Harris had a shit ground game, and that’s why.
I’m enthusiastic about voting against fascism, and I’ve done so in every election in my adult life. It’s really not that complicated. The only reason to make it complicated is increasing profit factor for media conglomerates, which I guess somewhat explains what’s happening to your country.
Republicans are liberal fascists and establishment Democrats are fascist liberals. There was no realistic “against fascism” option on the ballot. I took the harm reduction path and voted for the fascist liberal, but that’s irrelevant.
Yes, media consolidation was a huge factor. Russian influence operations were likely another. Both are dwarfed though by the impact of constant lies and betrayals from establishment Democrats.
I strongly agree that allowing Trump to win was a really dumb move. However, I do understand how people got there. It makes total sense that the Democrats lost, given their history and the campaign Harris ran. I don’t think that’s an “American” thing. We’re hardly the first to elect a demagogue when neoliberalism fails.
Of all eligible voters, around 2/3 didn’t vote for Harris. (1/3 stayed home or cast protest votes). Of that group, I have the least problem with those who were (de)motivated by a candidate who actively participated in the commission of a genocide.
then you should not be content with the lesser of two evils, and playing the blame game instead of joining us in attacking the dnc until it gives up what we want… instead of enabling the very pattern that got us into this mess to begin with. but here we are.
you probably blame people for not voting hillary clinton as well even though she promoted trump as a punching bag and still managed to lose. on top of all the other bull shit she was up to.
you are too focused on short term ceding of ground to a slow fall right instead of fighting against all rightward movement
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