Nobody here thinks Putin is a communist, he’s a capitalist bastard, but he is the lesser evil opposing the even bigger imperialist entity known as NATO.
How is it “good news” that the Ukrainian war will keep being supplied and enable people to keep dying pointlessly for a long time yet?
The only real '“good” development here would be one that sees immediate and serious peace negotiations; instead of throwing Ukrainians into a blender for the sake of global posturing while shouting “Putler”.
LOL I don’t see NATO wading into Ukraine wanting to torture and kill people.
Russian peace means russian torture chambers and mobile crematoriums for Ukranian opposition. Followed by generations of autocracy. If that isn’t worth fighting then nothing is.
I don’t see NATO wading into Ukraine wanting to torture and kill people.
NATO waded into Afghanistan and Iraq and killed two million civilians. NATO is funding and participating in an ongoing genocide. They’ve killed many, many more. Guantanamo Bay is an illegal torture facility, there are undoubtedly hundreds more we haven’t heard of. The downfall of its hegemony would see the lives of millions of people saved globally.
Russian peace means russian torture chambers and mobile crematoriums for Ukranian opposition. Followed by generations of autocracy.
What makes you say that? You must understand that’s a cartoonishly unreal accusation, right? Yeah, Russian democracy sucks, but not meaningfully moreso than Ukrainian or most Western democracies.
Fighting for the re-conquering and oppression of the eastern half of Ukraine (i.e. DPR and LPR), oppressing Russophones and continuing to explicitly deny the regions a right to self-determination. Zelenskyy already admitted they would not vote to stay part of Ukraine given the chance. That will not be a happy outcome for a lot of people either.
Not denying the role of NATO member states in the conflicts you mention, and the existence of Guantanamo is wrong.
But, mobile crematoriums and the russian police to feed them were in the first wave of invaders headed for Kyiv in 2022. Torture chambers are well documented.
Elections under the russian boot are neither free nor fair for obvious reasons. Western democracies aren’t great and especially not the US lately, but there are a lot fewer people flying out of windows for political reasons.
The IWPR is based in Washington D.C., the U.K., and the Netherlands, and seems to be especially concerned about manufacturing consent for backing the Banderite regime in Kiev, and supporting the ovethrow of socialism and Chavismo in Venezuela.
I appreciate we can agree on the NATO wrongdoings, that’s cool, thank you.
I’m not saying Russia never tortured or cremated anybody. Every party to this conflict has done that in the droves. But it’s disingenuous to imply that peace under Russia means exceptional mass torture and death squads. “Peace” before Russia invaded was 8 years of civil war where Ukraine killed its own civilians with artillery every day.
Elections under the Ukrainian boot are no good either. Democratic parties were (and are) frequently made illegal on spurious grounds, corruption is rife, heck, the elected president got ruddy coup’d not that long ago. We certainly hear of more publicised political killings in Russia than in the west, what the truth is I don’t know, but I think the chasm in difference of democratic ‘quality’ is a lot less than we care to tell ourselves.
Clearly, a fascist regime that suppresses rights of minorities, bans all opposition, jails people with opposing views, gets rid of independent media, and then cancels elections is the pinnacle of democracy.
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland MadeAssistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in UkraineFormer Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev HeardDeclassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
The difference is that nazis in Ukraine are literally the ruling party in the government and in control of the military with elite openly fascist battalions like Azov. Last I checked this isn’t the case in Russia, but certainly is becoming openly the case in the US. Hence I guess why western fascists feel such deep kinship with the Ukrainian ones. Y’all have shared values.
Most communists support the secessionists in Donetsk and Luhansk, that have been fighting the Banderite regime in Kiev since 2014, when their democratically elected president was ousted in a western-backed, far-right coup. The Russian Federation is aiding the secessionists, and destroying NATO equipment and resources that otherwise are used to threaten the global south into bending the knee to western imperialism.
are you one of those tankies that thinks Putin is a communist? genuinely curious about your delusion
The only people who think Putin is a communist are clueless liberals
why would I think that Putin is a communist, only people who even bring this idiocy up are deranged libs
No “tankie” thinks Putin is a communist, far more liberals think Putin is secretly a communist than communists think so, both by ratio and total.
Nobody here thinks Putin is a communist, he’s a capitalist bastard, but he is the lesser evil opposing the even bigger imperialist entity known as NATO.
How is it “good news” that the Ukrainian war will keep being supplied and enable people to keep dying pointlessly for a long time yet?
The only real '“good” development here would be one that sees immediate and serious peace negotiations; instead of throwing Ukrainians into a blender for the sake of global posturing while shouting “Putler”.
LOL I don’t see NATO wading into Ukraine wanting to torture and kill people.
Russian peace means russian torture chambers and mobile crematoriums for Ukranian opposition. Followed by generations of autocracy. If that isn’t worth fighting then nothing is.
Literally described what the fascist regime in Ukraine is currently doing there.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/volodymyr-zelensky-secret-police-hunted-down-opposition-anatoly-shariy/280200/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians
NATO waded into Afghanistan and Iraq and killed two million civilians. NATO is funding and participating in an ongoing genocide. They’ve killed many, many more. Guantanamo Bay is an illegal torture facility, there are undoubtedly hundreds more we haven’t heard of. The downfall of its hegemony would see the lives of millions of people saved globally.
What makes you say that? You must understand that’s a cartoonishly unreal accusation, right? Yeah, Russian democracy sucks, but not meaningfully moreso than Ukrainian or most Western democracies.
Fighting for the re-conquering and oppression of the eastern half of Ukraine (i.e. DPR and LPR), oppressing Russophones and continuing to explicitly deny the regions a right to self-determination. Zelenskyy already admitted they would not vote to stay part of Ukraine given the chance. That will not be a happy outcome for a lot of people either.
Not denying the role of NATO member states in the conflicts you mention, and the existence of Guantanamo is wrong.
But, mobile crematoriums and the russian police to feed them were in the first wave of invaders headed for Kyiv in 2022. Torture chambers are well documented.
Elections under the russian boot are neither free nor fair for obvious reasons. Western democracies aren’t great and especially not the US lately, but there are a lot fewer people flying out of windows for political reasons.
And fighting to the last Ukrainian helps… How exactly?
The IWPR is based in Washington D.C., the U.K., and the Netherlands, and seems to be especially concerned about manufacturing consent for backing the Banderite regime in Kiev, and supporting the ovethrow of socialism and Chavismo in Venezuela.
so no torture then huh? going to have to do better than that.
The burden of proof is on you, all I was doing was contextualizing what you posted.
but some Ukrainian girl wrote a text about it, it’s legit for sure. her name has 5 pages of google results, and almost all of them are from 2025.
I appreciate we can agree on the NATO wrongdoings, that’s cool, thank you.
I’m not saying Russia never tortured or cremated anybody. Every party to this conflict has done that in the droves. But it’s disingenuous to imply that peace under Russia means exceptional mass torture and death squads. “Peace” before Russia invaded was 8 years of civil war where Ukraine killed its own civilians with artillery every day.
Elections under the Ukrainian boot are no good either. Democratic parties were (and are) frequently made illegal on spurious grounds, corruption is rife, heck, the elected president got ruddy coup’d not that long ago. We certainly hear of more publicised political killings in Russia than in the west, what the truth is I don’t know, but I think the chasm in difference of democratic ‘quality’ is a lot less than we care to tell ourselves.
that might have been close to what nato wanted when they stationed in ukraine to pressure russia.
Ukraine wants to join NATO, but does not want to join russia world. Gee I wonder why? Is big mystery, da?
not really a mystery, no.
ukraine got a puppet dictator installed so they would be cannon fodder for the empire to try and weaken russia.
since, you know, they have been justifiably hesitant to die needlessly for the empire for the prior decade.
If only they’d model their democracy on the russian utopia right? Hilarious.
I suppose the euromaidan movement was some kind of western psyop too? What’s your russia world theory on that?
ah yes this fascist movement you’re cheering for being an open fascist that you are?
Clearly, a fascist regime that suppresses rights of minorities, bans all opposition, jails people with opposing views, gets rid of independent media, and then cancels elections is the pinnacle of democracy.
no, not really. they literally just had to chill and they would be left alone.
Nobody who understands communism thinks Putin is a communist
Meanwhile people who don’t understand communism believe communists think Putin is a communist lol
so why support his invasion of Ukraine
This is what someone who thinks this “unprovoked” war started in 2022 might ask.
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yay a whole pile of links. got to work so can’t read all these now.
re neo nazis existing in Ukraine, I don’t doubt it. But also there are neo nazis in russia, the US, germany, just about anywhere.
The difference is that nazis in Ukraine are literally the ruling party in the government and in control of the military with elite openly fascist battalions like Azov. Last I checked this isn’t the case in Russia, but certainly is becoming openly the case in the US. Hence I guess why western fascists feel such deep kinship with the Ukrainian ones. Y’all have shared values.
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whatever you say baby Goebbels
Shitlibs when presented with evidence
Most communists support the secessionists in Donetsk and Luhansk, that have been fighting the Banderite regime in Kiev since 2014, when their democratically elected president was ousted in a western-backed, far-right coup. The Russian Federation is aiding the secessionists, and destroying NATO equipment and resources that otherwise are used to threaten the global south into bending the knee to western imperialism.
This is not soccer that you need to cheer for your team, your point makes no sense.
admittedly a shitpost comment, in reply to another shitpost comment. why don’t you ask the previous commenter the same question?
Are you one of those liberal fascists who thinks Ukraine isn’t run by seig-heiling nazis? Genuinely curious about your delusion