LOL I don’t see NATO wading into Ukraine wanting to torture and kill people.
Russian peace means russian torture chambers and mobile crematoriums for Ukranian opposition. Followed by generations of autocracy. If that isn’t worth fighting then nothing is.
I don’t see NATO wading into Ukraine wanting to torture and kill people.
NATO waded into Afghanistan and Iraq and killed two million civilians. NATO is funding and participating in an ongoing genocide. They’ve killed many, many more. Guantanamo Bay is an illegal torture facility, there are undoubtedly hundreds more we haven’t heard of. The downfall of its hegemony would see the lives of millions of people saved globally.
Russian peace means russian torture chambers and mobile crematoriums for Ukranian opposition. Followed by generations of autocracy.
What makes you say that? You must understand that’s a cartoonishly unreal accusation, right? Yeah, Russian democracy sucks, but not meaningfully moreso than Ukrainian or most Western democracies.
Fighting for the re-conquering and oppression of the eastern half of Ukraine (i.e. DPR and LPR), oppressing Russophones and continuing to explicitly deny the regions a right to self-determination. Zelenskyy already admitted they would not vote to stay part of Ukraine given the chance. That will not be a happy outcome for a lot of people either.
Not denying the role of NATO member states in the conflicts you mention, and the existence of Guantanamo is wrong.
But, mobile crematoriums and the russian police to feed them were in the first wave of invaders headed for Kyiv in 2022. Torture chambers are well documented.
Elections under the russian boot are neither free nor fair for obvious reasons. Western democracies aren’t great and especially not the US lately, but there are a lot fewer people flying out of windows for political reasons.
The IWPR is based in Washington D.C., the U.K., and the Netherlands, and seems to be especially concerned about manufacturing consent for backing the Banderite regime in Kiev, and supporting the ovethrow of socialism and Chavismo in Venezuela.
I appreciate we can agree on the NATO wrongdoings, that’s cool, thank you.
I’m not saying Russia never tortured or cremated anybody. Every party to this conflict has done that in the droves. But it’s disingenuous to imply that peace under Russia means exceptional mass torture and death squads. “Peace” before Russia invaded was 8 years of civil war where Ukraine killed its own civilians with artillery every day.
Elections under the Ukrainian boot are no good either. Democratic parties were (and are) frequently made illegal on spurious grounds, corruption is rife, heck, the elected president got ruddy coup’d not that long ago. We certainly hear of more publicised political killings in Russia than in the west, what the truth is I don’t know, but I think the chasm in difference of democratic ‘quality’ is a lot less than we care to tell ourselves.
Clearly, a fascist regime that suppresses rights of minorities, bans all opposition, jails people with opposing views, gets rid of independent media, and then cancels elections is the pinnacle of democracy.
LOL I don’t see NATO wading into Ukraine wanting to torture and kill people.
Russian peace means russian torture chambers and mobile crematoriums for Ukranian opposition. Followed by generations of autocracy. If that isn’t worth fighting then nothing is.
Literally described what the fascist regime in Ukraine is currently doing there.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/volodymyr-zelensky-secret-police-hunted-down-opposition-anatoly-shariy/280200/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians
NATO waded into Afghanistan and Iraq and killed two million civilians. NATO is funding and participating in an ongoing genocide. They’ve killed many, many more. Guantanamo Bay is an illegal torture facility, there are undoubtedly hundreds more we haven’t heard of. The downfall of its hegemony would see the lives of millions of people saved globally.
What makes you say that? You must understand that’s a cartoonishly unreal accusation, right? Yeah, Russian democracy sucks, but not meaningfully moreso than Ukrainian or most Western democracies.
Fighting for the re-conquering and oppression of the eastern half of Ukraine (i.e. DPR and LPR), oppressing Russophones and continuing to explicitly deny the regions a right to self-determination. Zelenskyy already admitted they would not vote to stay part of Ukraine given the chance. That will not be a happy outcome for a lot of people either.
Not denying the role of NATO member states in the conflicts you mention, and the existence of Guantanamo is wrong.
But, mobile crematoriums and the russian police to feed them were in the first wave of invaders headed for Kyiv in 2022. Torture chambers are well documented.
Elections under the russian boot are neither free nor fair for obvious reasons. Western democracies aren’t great and especially not the US lately, but there are a lot fewer people flying out of windows for political reasons.
And fighting to the last Ukrainian helps… How exactly?
The IWPR is based in Washington D.C., the U.K., and the Netherlands, and seems to be especially concerned about manufacturing consent for backing the Banderite regime in Kiev, and supporting the ovethrow of socialism and Chavismo in Venezuela.
so no torture then huh? going to have to do better than that.
The burden of proof is on you, all I was doing was contextualizing what you posted.
but some Ukrainian girl wrote a text about it, it’s legit for sure. her name has 5 pages of google results, and almost all of them are from 2025.
Oh, most definitely real then!
I appreciate we can agree on the NATO wrongdoings, that’s cool, thank you.
I’m not saying Russia never tortured or cremated anybody. Every party to this conflict has done that in the droves. But it’s disingenuous to imply that peace under Russia means exceptional mass torture and death squads. “Peace” before Russia invaded was 8 years of civil war where Ukraine killed its own civilians with artillery every day.
Elections under the Ukrainian boot are no good either. Democratic parties were (and are) frequently made illegal on spurious grounds, corruption is rife, heck, the elected president got ruddy coup’d not that long ago. We certainly hear of more publicised political killings in Russia than in the west, what the truth is I don’t know, but I think the chasm in difference of democratic ‘quality’ is a lot less than we care to tell ourselves.
that might have been close to what nato wanted when they stationed in ukraine to pressure russia.
Ukraine wants to join NATO, but does not want to join russia world. Gee I wonder why? Is big mystery, da?
not really a mystery, no.
ukraine got a puppet dictator installed so they would be cannon fodder for the empire to try and weaken russia.
since, you know, they have been justifiably hesitant to die needlessly for the empire for the prior decade.
If only they’d model their democracy on the russian utopia right? Hilarious.
I suppose the euromaidan movement was some kind of western psyop too? What’s your russia world theory on that?
ah yes this fascist movement you’re cheering for being an open fascist that you are?
Clearly, a fascist regime that suppresses rights of minorities, bans all opposition, jails people with opposing views, gets rid of independent media, and then cancels elections is the pinnacle of democracy.
no, not really. they literally just had to chill and they would be left alone.