I dunno if glee is the right emotion. America is going to lash out hard in it’s death throes and cause a lot more pain and destruction. There’s also no guarantee that what comes next will be any better; if anything, I’m expecting powerful corporations to carve up her corpse.
The rest of the world can breathe a sigh of relief when it’s done, but an animal becomes most dangerous when it’s backed into a corner.
Accelerationism is the intellectual equivalent of pissing your pants to stay warm: comforting optimism at first, but then the frostbite hits you in the dick.
The meme isn’t arguing for accelerationism. It’s just observing that the US in it’s current incarnation as a fascist state needs to be fought and defeated before anything can get better.
The meme is about accelerationism.
Please learn about the things you pretend to be an authority on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
Accelerationism is a range of ideologies that call for the use of capitalism and associated processes to create radical social transformations.[1] Broadly, accelerationism engages with antihumanism[2][3] and posthumanism,[4] and seeks to accelerate desired tendencies within capitalism at the expense of negative ones, though variants differ greatly on which tendencies and if this will lead beyond capitalism or further into it.
So the person who is happy about America failing - the one with the hammer and sickle - is a capitalist?
I think there are a lot of people who call themselves communists here confusing accelerationism with left wing ideologies.
Reminder:
- Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here
And I think you’re confusing being happy someone is dying with trying to kill them.
I’m starting to doubt that term ever had any salience or useful definition
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Lol
Please remember to engage in a manner congruent with this community’s spirit of socialist unity
if this were my instance I would ban people for reddit comments
where accelerationists?
The death of the US Empire isn’t “accelerationism,” it’s an understanding that the number one obstacle to socialism globally is the US Empire, and with it out of the way socialist countries are under far less pressure from the outside. Ideally an indigenous led, decolonial socialist state takes the place of the former US Empire, but a strong and healthy empire isn’t going to get there. That’s why its decay is necessary for both Statesians and the international proletariat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
Accelerationism is a range of ideologies that call for the use of capitalism and associated processes to create radical social transformations.[1] Broadly, accelerationism engages with antihumanism[2][3] and posthumanism,[4] and seeks to accelerate desired tendencies within capitalism at the expense of negative ones, though variants differ greatly on which tendencies and if this will lead beyond capitalism or further into it.
Yep, nobody is advocating for making this worse here, but organizing as they necessarily are. We can also celebrate the decay in influence from the US Empire as it dies. Accelerationism is bad because it alienates people for no real benefit, but organizing consistently the entire way through does work.
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Still not sure why you think communism is fascism, considering communism stands for collectivized production and distribution to satisfy the needs of everyone while fascism is capitalism in decay violently asserting the freedom of private property and forcing austerity on the public.
Socialist countries and fascist ones have, consequentially, had enormously different results, where socialist countries were marked with dramatic improvements in life expectancy, literacy rates, housing rates, healthcare, education, employment, and more, fascist states have delivered enormous profits to a tiny subsection of society and dramatically lowered these key metrics.
Not really sure what your goal is, here, if it’s to discredit me then you actually need to put in the legwork to do so. Otherwise it’ll backfire.
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What do you mean by “human nature” that prevents socialism globally? I’m talking about the real world, where tendencies towards centralization, globalization, and monopolization prepare the groundwork for a collectivized and planned economy, just like what Marx initially observed back in the 1800s in early form.
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There’s no ChatGPT involved, and I’d appreciate you dropping the condescension. People’s way of thinking is determined by their lived experience, how they work and how they get what they need. As it becomes harder and harder for that to happen, at the same time we are already building up incredibly complex systems of production and distribution.
What remains is for working class organization, revolution, and nationalizing the large firms and key industries, finance, etc in any given country. Other countries have already done this before, it isn’t impossible, and people become increasingly motivated to do so and it becomes increasingly feasible as disparity increases.
The Party for Socialism and Liberation has a Party Program you can read for a US-based approach.
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It’s absolutely practical, actionable, and realistic, though. If you live in the US, you can join the PSL, as an example, and work towards this goal. Which part in particular do you think isn’t actionable or practical?
You are off your rocker if you think whatever comes next will be indigenous led lol. Not that I would be opposed to it. The scary thing is though, what does come next? If it’s socialism great, but what if it’s fascism
It’s important to recognize that the primary contradiction within the US Empire is settler-colonialism. The ones most oppressed by the current society are generally the ones most quickly adaptive to theory and practice, and this isn’t because oppressed people are “morally superior” but out of sheer survival. It’s also why there are so many queer communists. Without combatting settler-colonialism, anything that takes the place of the US Empire will fundamentally replicate that and would be closer to barbarism.
The US Empire is already fascist, fascism isn’t a separate mode of production but instead capitalism in decay.
“native Americans are more likely to like communism” isn’t exactly a solid foundation for establishing “an indigenous led, decolonial socialist state [that] takes the place of the former US Empire,”
It is highly unlikely that if the us government collapses everyone’s going to be like “whelp let’s let the communist indigenous people lead may as well, even though they don’t have the numbers, arms, food or production to run anything”
Sure in an idealistic sense it would be cool to go full Ferngully/dances with wolves/Avatar/noble savage cliche but if we’re going to dream that big I’d like an infinite pizza shooting unicorn.
You’re right, that isn’t a solid foundation. What is, is working class organization along correct lines of struggle, part of which is decolonization, as the US Empire’s primary contradiction is settler-colonialism.
Further, you’re right to say that if the US Empire collapsed now that it would result in barbarism. That’s the point of organizing, though, so that when the US Empire is in crisis, we can overthrow it and implement a new system.
None of this is based on ideals, but learning from historical struggles for socialism.
Idk mate, you’re the one who brought up the idea of an indigenous socialist revolution and now you’re saying that ideal isn’t a solid foundation. I thought the point was to unite the working class as a whole, not put a generic category of race made by colonialism on a pedestal. “Indigenous” isn’t a single group of people who all think vaguely the same about communism, so I’m not sure why you thought it would be a good idea to say that’s the ideal situation.
It’s multi-faceted. Ignoring the settler-colonial nature of the US Empire ignores its primary contradiction, the forces at play in the given society, and why the US proletariat is against revolution right now. Any working class organization needs correct analysis of settler-colonialism to have success elsewhere. It’s similar to trying to have a TERF worker organization, by excluding marginalized comrades and taking incorrect lines, we damage the movement and lose some of our fiercest fighters, all while winding ourselves into reactionary contradictions and tailism.
Well, I wouldn’t really say it’s fascist quite yet (maybe I’m ignorant) but it’s well on the way. My point is it could get a lot worse before it gets better
It’s been fascist for decades. Fascism doesn’t become official only when it happens to white people almost as much as the rest of us.
One of the key characteristics of fascism is autocracy. You could argue that applies today but certainly not for decades. Regardless of if, from your perspective, neither party aligns with your goals and are far right by that standard, they are still working against each other.
Answer this because I’m curious of your perspective. Is Russia fascist, and if not why not? From what I have been exposed to (which certainly is biased admittedly) Russia is at least as far on the fascism scale as the US, they have a lot of similarities in my mind, but nobody on here will say that, but then turn around and label the US fascist.
Both your political parties regularly vote to continue funding ICE, DHS and the NSA. Even as recently as a few days ago. They are both pro-militarisation of the police. They both support the prison industrial complex. They both support US actions in Venezuela. And the fact you can’t make political protests in the US without the risk of being shot or imprisoned nowadays should tell you that you are already living in a fascist state. It’s a fantasy to think that, even if the Dems somehow get this administration out of office, they will fundamentally change any of those things. At least now the mask is off and you know what you are up against. The problem with libs is that they think everything would be a-ok so long as their fascist was in charge.
There are some abominable democrats, but there are some good ones too. Your statements are simply not true for a solid portion of democrats. It is a fantasy to think things would be much better if the Dems get this admin out though, I agree. And to get anything done there is pandering required with the other leading party, which I think stops the Democrats from becoming as leftist as many would want to. So yeah, progress is hard. It seems to me that the political perspective of Americans across the board needs to shift left before much change can be had, so that the Democrats are true leftists and the Republicans are less far right
There are some abominable democrats, but there are some good ones too.
I totally agree that’s true. Most Dems on lemmy are far to the left of their own party on most issues. But unfortunately, the party leadership is way to the right on most issues, and they are the ones in positions of power and influence.
It seems to me that the political perspective of Americans across the board needs to shift left before much change can be had, so that the Democrats are true leftists and the Republicans are less far right
This isn’t how it actually works, though. The Dems and Reps aren’t very representative of the Statesian public, but instead its capitalists. The US is a capitalist state, it’s a dictatorship of capital, and both allowed parties represent capital only. This is shown by the low voting rates in the US Empire, the DNC and GOP cannot move left, only working class orgs can represent the working class.
Fascism and liberalism don’t have hard lines distinguishing them, they each contain elements of the other.
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Relevant.
So we’ve got MAGA chud, Bernie Bro, Spanish anarchist, and… French guy?
A much better meme
It’s interesting to live through the death of a modern empire. Given how much access there is to history it really surprises me that no lesson is learned and no graceful transition is opted for.
Instead they follow the same route as all the empires of old, increasing violence and desperation practically guaranteeing hatred and reprisal when they are crippled and broken.
Of course all the elite will be dead by then so I suppose material analysis wins again as the correct lens to analyse history through.
no graceful transition is opted for
transition to what, exactly? i think people might have vastly different opinions about this, so it’s not easy to just go to a new thing
Instead they follow the same route as all the empires of old, increasing violence and desperation practically guaranteeing hatred and reprisal when they are crippled and broken.
When you are about to die yourself, do you just let it happen or do you struggle and try to fight against it?
Fighting back against fascism is great, but fighting for a slightly more benevolent form of fascism won’t get you anywhere. You really think the Dems will abolish ice if they get Trump out if office?
The only problem Dems see with ICE is their lack of training. If they ever get back in control, they’d increase ICE funding under the guise of getting them better trained.
i never said i support the democrats. in fact i don’t. sorry if it came across that way.
Ok, fair enough. I don’t know what the future will look like any better than anyone else. But imo fighting fascists is always better than just letting it happen.
being the only dinosaur left unscarred from ww2 meant none of these family-of-sociopaths were ever forced to recognize we’re kind of in this mess together. needing to completely rebuild your infrastructure from 0 kind forces a bit of empathy into everyone i think.
with how purposefully fractured the US is (long long history of this, many towns across the country are de facto company towns for the local real estate baron), this will only happen if the country has another Great Depression era. which is very much a possibility given the US’s ever growing sovereign-debt crisis and a completely gutted internal manufacturing capacity/capability.
if/when the US finally defaults and USD crumbles as world reserve currency (which is already happening, countries are just trying to gtfo as sustainably as they can without crashing their own house of cards)…shit goes from bad to worse real fucking quick.
Nah this is US exceptionalism still. The circumstances of the usa are no more or less unique than any previous empire and the same forces rule.
“The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters.”
― Antonio Gramsci (misattributed)
Yep. Am American, sad about what a seemingly good idea got warped into over 250yrs. Fuck this joint, but there will most certainly be real monsters created in the void until things stabilize.
No offense but when was the US ever a good idea?
I mean, the land was already occupied… And now suddenly you talk about monsters? They have always been there.
None taken. I mean the idea of a representational democracy. People were there, and there’s still more than enough land to go around.
In an alternate timeline, we could have negotiated for the land with the native Americans, invited then to join the US, or let them keep their sovereignty but within bounds of their choosing, while always allowing them to become citizens if they or their descendents desired. We all could have won.
Slavery? We didn’t need it, if growth at all costs wasn’t our insignia. The land provided/provides more than enough, if we take care of it.
But this is all fantasy, destroyed by greed, and laziness. Doing it the right way would have been hard work. And we know how fucking lazy pieces of shit like musk, trump, Epstein, et al actually are.
We have always lived in slums and holes in the wall. We will know how to accommodate ourselves for a time. For, you must not forget, we can also build. It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it finally leaves the stage of history. We are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. The world is growing this minute.
—Buenaventura Durruti, interview with Pierre van Paassen (1936-07-24)
Whew, talk about some revolutionary optimism!
Well said. Maybe there’s a chance we can pull out of this nosedive.
The opening in the window for that is now barely wide enough to slip a sheet of paper into.
But hey, crowbars have done more, with less. Let’s see what happens.
it fills my heart with joy to know me and my folk could one day be free, and it’s only getting closer. we just gotta survive the storm, which is a tall order but still.
Historically speaking, shit gets uber fucked before anything gets better. And getting better isn’t a guarantee. It’s why accelerationism is stupid. It just guarantees conflict, and with how completely destroyed the American left is from red scare shit, it’s highly unlikely some sort of more egalitarian state will rise from the ashes from conflict alone.
Historically speaking, things always get worse. Solving problems just leads to more and worse problems to solve. Humans are doomed.
oh i doubt the us will recover easily, but we will have a chance to be free after the empire’s influence over the world wanes.
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just die already. I’m not even a socialist, I just want that nation of criminals and pedophiles to stop trying to replicate it’s corruption everywhere.
Fool. It’s just gonna spiral into fascism. It does not just die, it has to be killed. But you domesticated Americans can’t get off your asses. Like lambs to the slaughter.
Nah, bro, I’ll save America later. One more meme…
Now Is The Time of Monsters
Soviet Union not looking so hot at the moment either.
Where is the Soviet Union mentioned exactly?
They’re equating the hammer and sickle with the USSR.
Considering the USA killed it in the 80s, I guess not.
I don’t doubt the US was cheering and helping things along, but really the Soviet Union (specifically Communist Party hardliners) killed the Soviet Union, just like America is now killing America. Empires that big only die by war or suicide.
You may want to read information with how Reagan leaned on Gorbachev and about glasnost and perestroika. Preferably not from fedopedia. I’m sure u/@Cowbee@lemmy.ml has some material to point you toward.
The soviet union wasn’t an empire. It was large, sure, but didn’t practice imperialism, it wasn’t exporting capital as a means of profiting off of global south labor or anything. It was anti-imperialist.
Either way, the decline of the USSR was multi-faceted. From corn-cob man declaring that class struggle was over and demonizing their past experience, to liberal reforms under Gorbachev undermining the socialist system, to having to dedicate huge portions of their productive capacity simply to not get invaded and destroyed by the US Empire, none of this was due to “communist party hardliners.” Instead, as the world’s first real socialist state, it ran into problems and struggles that nobody else had before, they were charting new ground with every step.
Socialism Betrayed: Behind the Collapse of the Soviet Union goes over some of this.
The soviet Union was the opposite of an empire, though. It helped the liberation struggles everywhere in Latin America, Africa and Asia. They literally saved Europe from Fascism.
The Cold War superpowers killed each other. Some of them just haven’t realised it yet.
I encourage Greenlanders to watch the news.
