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People. You don’t need this shit. I promise.
The only thing my bed has that my previous beds didn’t was a removable charging outlet with USBs and stuff. That’s it. That requires only electricity and is literally something that could have existed last century with no problem.
I have a Sunbeam heated mattress pad. I like sleeping in a cool room but in a panini press. I’m weird.
It’s amazing that they actually designed the beds to fail in the worst possible way. I mean this is cartoon crazy.
Build your shit to be fail safe. The idea that this was less bad if you self hosted is ridiculous. You will have much more outages that way.
You may be right to criticize cloud everything, but as I said, just not the problem here. Only the trigger.
Ha, this reminds me of the death of the guy that gave the world lead poisoning.
He also invented CFCs, the chemical that nearly destroyed the earth’s protective ozone layer. Quite a guy.
A one man environmental disaster. J. R. McNeill opined that Midgley “had more adverse impact on the atmosphere than any other single organism in Earth’s history”
also CFCs!
he was a one-man ecological disasterHis best invention was the bed that killed him! If only those who designed the “smart” beds that need functioning network access (and working AWS) had all been in one.
So instead of it defaulting to last known good settings, it couldn’t poll AWS to retrieve the user settings and either just went into debug alert mode or the hardcoded defaults are full upright and max temp. More premium products kneecapped by poor management in a race to enshittify everything
$2000 is very mid for a bed.
What? The frame? The most important part of the bed is the mattress!
Sleep Number, Personal Comfort, and Duxiana are some examples. You can find their stores all over, even in malls, and they are readily available for delivery without waiting for bespoke orders. The frames are often “free” for basic adjustable options in their packaging.
No it is not.
Check out Sleep Number or Duxiana beds for examples of common beds that start at twice that amount.
The heck are you talking about. My tuft and needle mint WITH the added cost of extra pillows and a sheet set wasn’t even a full $2000 it’s one of the best mattresses I’ve ever seen in my life I’ve had it for like 5 years now and there’s still zero indication of any type of settling or imprinting on the foam, it’s the perfect mix of firm supportive but comfortable and shape fitting. And every time I’ve seen a bed more expensive than that it’s felt terrible and basically just been about buying the brand name or some stupid exotic material it’s made of
I paid $700 CAD for my king size. You bougie
Perhaps, but it is a fact that several common manufacturers offer discounts or “gift” sheet packages that are more than what you paid for your bed. I’m glad you found what works for you.
You know this bed is great and all, but what it’s really missing is a mandatory connection to the Internet!
…jfc
“Carla! Carla! What the fuck is this? I know you sleep on a 25. A 25 or a 30 if you fuck up swiping. I know for a fucking fact that you would NEVER choose to sleep on a 60, and yet I found a goddamn record of a 60 when I was out last week. Who was it? Who was here?”
I really can’t see any other reason. A dial isn’t sexy but it’s far easier in every way
Look you wanted a smart bed. We either incorporate that locally and jack the price and size 50%, or we offload the processing to a server farm and require internet
A reminder to not buy “smart” home appliances unless you can self-host it’s internet connectivity or its “smart” features are optional.
You had me until “unless”.
smart home appliances are tolerable if they have 0 (zero, cero, null, ling, sifr, mee-then, noll) internet access
Yup, Zigbee all the way! Although that new Matter protocol seems kinda promising as well
You also have wifi with tasmota or esphome. Some products come with optional cloud features turned off by default (and no automatic updates), like Shelly. You can also flash them, but the factory firmware is so unobtrusive that I don’t bother.
Never buying smart anything. Wish we could buy a smart president though.
People in the 80’s: “In the year 2025 we’re going to have hoverboards and flying cars!”
2025: “I can’t use my bed because the servers are down”
Stop making the future stupid. Never buy anything that needs to be connected to a server to work for no good reason.
Smart products themselves are not the issue. The issue is making everything cloud based. The solution is companies designing their products so they can be controlled over the network.
It’s a fucking bed! It doesn’t need a persistent connection to some server. The problem is that they also want to mine and sell your data.
That’s the key. They want to mine and sell the data
Smart products are part of the issue, and smart products that fail in dumb ways are a really big part of the issue.
Any smart product, pretty much by definition, has to have a computer in it. Anything with a computer in it can be hacked. There’s really no good reason that your bed should have an attack surface.
If you are going to have smarts in something, it really needs to fail well. Like, for a bed, it should have something that bypasses the smarts and lets it go back to “dumb bed” mode no matter what. No matter what position it’s in, it should be possible to make it go flat even if you have no Internet connection. In fact, even if the smart parts are not working at all, there should be a way to make it go flat, even if that’s a purely mechanical system that allows you to bypass the motors.
The easiest way to implement this is to avoid the IoT entirely. I strive to avoid any smart products that cannot be perpetually used offline (a.k.a. most of them).
It’s true, and there’s nothing IoT that is absolutely essential. But, if they were secure and safe, there are a lot of IoT things I’d like to have.
Smart products are named oxymoronically.
Also people in the 80’s: “I love my waterbed, but my back is killing me for some reason.”
I’m sorry. I’m really sorry. But why does a bed need to be smart? This is the dumbest timeline ever. It really is
From what I’ve seen, it’s actually a really good product. Just that the company is trash and forces subscriptions and the mattresses to be always online.
A subscription for a mattress. This is where we are now.
How can that possibly be a good product?
The tech and the physical product is good. The software and the system around it is bad.
forces the mattresses to be always online
Bahahahaha!
To help people with paralysis shimmy into their wheelchairs in the morning and to keep the elderly in poorly insulated homes from freezing in the night.
okay sounds good. why the cloud thou
Thou must use the cloud so that thine company hast a recurring revenue stream.
Likely has remote monitoring and control functionality for nursing staff or families
Reminds me that nurse interview in Spain during the blackout:
“But your hospital doesn’t have a backup generator?? -Oh we have solar panels, we could be running off the grid! But the power management system requires an Internet connection, and it’s down!”
The nurse knew that the power management system required an Internet connection? That’s one geeky nurse.
Still, I have hope with things like solar panels. I think these are likely to be teething pains there. Being off-grid on a solar panel is probably a pretty common situation, so they’re probably going to eventually work out the kinks. As long as there isn’t a monopoly on power management systems, or regulatory capture by the companies that make them, probably the ability to work disconnected from both the power and Internet grids will eventually happen. But, with Internet-of-Things stuff, there’s often a commercial incentive to mine people’s data and lock them into a subscription service model. So, that’s really going to require regulation to fix.
I feel like if I was gonna put a computer attached to a motor & heater inside a bed, the very first step would be making sure that if the software goes wrong, it always defaults to staying bed shaped and not catching fire.
I know I know hindsight is 20/20, I’m sure I’m just missing something. Venture capitalists would just give their money to any random idiot with a pitch, right?
Reminds me of the Naked Gun folding bed scene, haha
why? what if they want more money and decide to make it go subscription based? do you and the shareholders want to risk people just…unplugging them and continuing to use them? the mere idea made me drop my monocle .
It’s already subscription based lol
why do people buy these things!?!?!
Because their favourite YouTuber tells them how much better they’re feeling after getting one.
It’s why sponsorships are an outright negative for me when looking at products. They abuse the authority influencers seem to get. “Oh I like him and his videos, he wouldn’t lie to me.” Yeah right.
Absolutely, some youtubers are nothing but paid shills.
On the other hand, there are some who have a lot of integrity. If TechMoan for example tells us that something actually works, I’ll be very inclined to believe him.
Because bored Western middle class in a consumerist society.
Because they sold their house they paid 12 acorns for for $2M and grandpa already has a Corvette.
Wow, imagine having to pay a subscription to have a 2-year warranty.
Laughs in European
This is their European site. They would have to provide the 2 years anyway so this is misleading and I’m sure it’s on purpose.
Yeah, exactly.
Close your eyes, take a moment and just imagine the engineering culture at Eight Sleep. I’d almost rather be homeless than work there.
lol, e-waste beds.
I’ve heard these beds are actually quite effective at helping you sleep and then wake up more naturally.
But they have wrapped entirely local events (it’s all just timers, folks) behind a cloud-exclusive subscription and the product is useless on a sunny day like we had yesterday.
They’re enormously expensive and the subscription serves no useful purpose other than to line the pockets of the investors.
I have a strict rule of no cloud dependency in my house. Otherwise, I’d be interested - if the price was remotely reasonable.
You can get other versions than eight sleep. I had an insert for my pillow. Can’t remember the brand though. It ran locally via an app and Bluetooth. I ended up returning within the trial period, due to it forming bubbles in the circulation, which woke me up
I just hammer my brain with melatonin on top of alcohol, weed and extreme fatigue. It’s nature’s remedy for sleeplessness.
You can flash your own firmware if you want.
“sorry honey just a bit longer, I’m in the process of flashing the bed, we can go to bed soon…god damn sig faults!”
Ah, bed bugs.
Huh? It’s the exact same thing as any other electronic in any home assistant smart house. Put firmware on it that you control. Why would you need to do anything about it at night.
Because that’s when you have the time to do the maintenance.
Why would you need to do maintenance at all?
Sometimes you get a new dream machine that has internal ipv6 disabled by default and only your matter over WiFi lights stop working, but you think they’re thread, which shouldn’t leak ipv6 past the otbr. So you work on getting them reconnected to the Internet by removing your firewall policy that kept them local, but Ubiquity now has Zones as well, and your dumbass did a little of each. Plus, for some reason, they’ll negotiate an ipv4 and drop off the network, and there’s no easy way to identify a bulb by it’s IP or mac address. It’s not like the Mac addresss is printed on the bulb, so you try to judge by signal strength. But then your buddy who’s been helping you troubleshoot for the past couple hours tells you to link him the lights from your order history, so only then do you realize they’re matter over WiFi and not matter over thread, and enabling ipv6 locally does the trick. Now you’ve just got a set up your automations again, because you had the bright idea to put actual switches in the walls that depend on home assistant, and the automations don’t know the new entities so none of your wall switches work until that’s fixed. And eventually you’ll get around to reinstating that firewall policy to block them from the Internet, but not today because you’ve spent long enough for one day on fighting with your light bulbs.
Or so I hear.
You don’t fluff your pillows or make your bed or wash the linens? Bed stuff needs daily maintenance; hopefully flashing the firmware on your smart pillow wouldn’t be daily, but you want to keep the bed bugs away, Shirley?
I don’t do the first two, and I wash them weekly. My home assistant stuff never needs maintenance, so no I’d wager that if I set it up locally it would work fine if the software was stable. But you said that’s when you’d do maintenance, at bedtime, which is also not when you’d be making the bed or fluffing the pillows or washing the sheets.
I wonder how it compares in functionality - to be clear, there’s no functionality I’m aware of that would require cloud (perhaps historical data).
Still, they’re wildly expensive.
I bought a brand new one of these on Marketplace because I really need a cooler bed, but I’ll be damned if I get sucked into a subscription for a fucking bed!! The hack i used was a workaround where you setup your own server that will set the bed temperature automatically at bedtime and can update it once again at some point during the morning (so you can wake up to a warm bed, for instance). It worked alright, but then the main unit crapped out after 2 weeks.
You should definitely be able to fix the main unit. It’s just a heat pump. The value is the tech in the mattress cover.
It’s actually not the pump, but the power supply that crapped out. I kept the unit because I’m sure it’s just a PC power supply, but I haven’t taken the time to crack it open. Oddly enough, there’s no information online about what the part number might be.
Ah dang. I though the nine sleep repo listed the parts but it doesn’t.
Don’t know what version you have but found these photos! https://imgur.com/a/eight-sleep-pod-2-teardown-hky0334
Expensive but super worth it. Honestly best improvement to my sleep ever. More so than any new mattress or pillow or sheets or anything else has ever done.
That sounds wonderful, to have an air gapped smart bed on open source software. Just like having the perfect nuclear missile launch system on Windows XP made by clever engineers. No updates, just dreams.
