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I have been out of the loop for a while so please excuse my question: Is it really necessary nowadays to let NVIDIA software connect to the internet to enter/change the graphic card settings? Years ago they only had this bullshit tool for looking up pre-made settings and an update agent, but all you had to do was to not install both when running the driver setup. I can’t even remember the name of them, deselecting this crap became like muscle memory. Did NVIDIA really change that in the meantime?
Zoomers need to learn they don’t need to use Nvidia’s app for this. Just download the driver directly.
This seems like it can be easily avoided by just downloading the drivers without using the nvidia app.
Are you actually able to do that now? You used to not be able to or they were sufficiently hidden.
at this point just stop serving websites to the uk, and call it their “great firewall”
Relevant:
As one of the first Baby Boomers, it’s somewhat surrealistic for me to proof that I’m old enough to access an fucking web page.
As a millennial, it, too, is insane.
Which begs the question: who thinks this is a needed thing and a good idea? Who is pushing this agenda?
I hear that - I was around when Arche and Fido-net and BBS’es were king. You want my id? Great I’ll just fax it to you.
Why is it called “Lost Generation”?
Personally, I don’t know.
From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Generation :
The Lost Generation was the demographic cohort that reached early adulthood during World War I, and preceded the Greatest Generation. The social generation is generally defined as people born from 1883 to 1900, coming of age in either the 1900s or the 1910s, and were the first generation to mature in the 20th century. The term is also particularly used to refer to a group of American expatriate writers living in Paris during the 1920s.[1][2][3] Gertrude Stein is credited with coining the term, and it was subsequently popularized by Ernest Hemingway, who used it in the epigraph for his 1926 novel The Sun Also Rises: “You are all a lost generation.”[4][5] “Lost” in this context refers to the “disoriented, wandering, directionless” spirit of many of the war’s survivors in the early interwar period.[6]
In the wake of the Industrial Revolution, Western members of the Lost Generation grew up in societies that were more literate, consumerist, and media-saturated than ever before, but which also tended to maintain strictly conservative social values. Young men of the cohort were mobilized on a mass scale for World War I, a conflict that was often seen as the defining moment of their age group’s lifespan. Young women also contributed to and were affected by the war, and in its aftermath gained greater freedoms politically and in other areas of life. The Lost Generation was also heavily vulnerable to the Spanish flu pandemic and became the driving force behind many cultural changes, particularly in major cities during what became known as the Roaring Twenties.
Later in their midlife, they experienced the economic effects of the Great Depression and often saw their own sons leave for the battlefields of World War II. In the developed world, they tended to reach retirement and average life expectancy during the decades after the conflict, but some significantly outlived the norm. The Lost Generation became completely ancestral when the last surviving person who was known to have been born in the Lost Generation or during the 19th century, Nabi Tajima, died in 2018 at age 117.[7]
Tldr: looks like life shit completely down their throats. Kinda feels familiar…
Life and the wealthy have been shitting on people for ever.
It’s OK, they were saved in the end … by a war that killed 100 million people.
Going into WWI was a bad time to be coming of age.
So 1 in 3 Zoomers are under 18. A little less, since birth rates fall every year.
You can on Linux just saying
It’s like people are just now noticing that they have zero ability to control their own digital lives because they traded it all away in order to not have to take the time to learn how to do things for themselves.
We all need to make what we know freely available in a friendly manner to make the path to Linux easier and more fun.
I have been offering 1:1 chats on signal to anyone who wants help switching to Linux.
Asking questions in forums and social media is intimidating. I despise the snobbery that often represents this community. I just want to help people regain some control over their digital lives.
Man you are doing <insert deity>'s work there
Up until now, we’ve been hiding it in wikis and books, where we know nobody will look. 😂
There are some user friendly distributions, but even they will be uncomfortable and frustrating to use when you’re new.
Having to relearn how to use a computer is daunting for people. It’s a lot easier to just touch an app and have the instant gratification.
The point of all of these apps and services is to get people dependent on them so that they’re unwilling to leave because the alternative requires effort. I don’t know that Linux, as a whole, can ever be that user friendly. But, eventually some people will be tired of being squeezed for cash and spyed on just to save a few weeks of reading and learning.
in a friendly manner
Emphasis on “friendly” because there’s a big “RTFM” issue on some Linux communities. Sure, it can be annoying getting the same questions constantly. But the “RTFM” response is condescending and artificially inflates the barrier to entry. People shouldn’t be expected to read, understand, and remember 200 pages of dense documentation just to learn how to update their graphics drivers. If someone is learning how to drive, telling them “read the owner’s manual for your car” is just toxic. Sure the owners manual will have lots of useful info, but that doesn’t actually help the person who is trying to get started.
At the very least, point them in the right direction. You can say “RTFM” while still being helpful. Oh, you want to know how to do something specific via CLI? Cool, here’s a link to that specific section, which explains what the command you need does. As it currently stands, a lot of the most crucial info for newcomers is buried in obscure wiki articles and books. And longtime Linux users treat the struggle like a rite of passage. But not everyone is interested in that; They just want to ditch Windows because they can’t install Win11, and they’re looking for friendly alternatives.
I do agree with a lot of what you’re saying.
Linux has historically been a space for tech people and so the default assumption is that the user is competent (jokes aside…) and capable of understanding technical writing.
So, naturally, if a person asks a question which is answered in the documentation then they’re reminded that the answers exist already in the expected places and asking other people to do your own research for you rude.
The Linux demographic is shifting and we need to adjust, but cultural norms change slowly.
and they’re looking for friendly alternatives.
I think that this is part of the trap that keeps people stuck in the spyware/enshittification market.
Technology is complicated.
Try to imagine, from a technical point of view, how complex it is to run a service like Netflix. There are a lot of highly trained people designing, managing and maintaining the various systems to run the service that lets a user touch a picture on their phone screen to see a movie.
The user has an easy, friendly experience but that’s only because Netflix handles all of the complexity. This seems like a good deal initially. I mean,
$10$12$15$19.99/mo is a good price to pay to not have to know how to do all of that.But, now the user is completely dependent on service providers to stand between them and the complexity of technology so they never have a chance to learn because they never see how anything works.
This Faustian bargain is what lets these companies continue to spy on people and jack up the price of services while offering less service. Where are the users going to go?
Linux and the open source community offer a different bargain. You have to learn how to do things for yourself, but now you have actual meaningful choices about how you use technology and a community of people who are trying to solve the same problems as you.
Sure, it isn’t as easy. But easy isn’t free, and I’m tired of paying what they want to charge.
My literal job consists of helping other (generally much less technically savvy) representatives provide support to our end users, and it being their literal job to provide “tech” help to users is still not enough of an incentive for 80+% of them to learn anything beyond basic computing. Sometimes it’s like pulling teeth just to get a fucking click path or screenshot of what’s actually happening.
Now expand that out to now I am not getting paid to help people and those asking for help are often VERY entitled that they deserve to have their hand held through the entire process. It’s frustrating and often thankless.
There’s an older manual for how to ask a “hacker” for technical help that I think is so spot on for setting proper expectations: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Why does a graphics card app know how fucking old you are?
Well, if you use an ATI 3D Rage card in your PC it can be deduced, or buying a Graphic card with you credit card.
this is eventually going to restore the internet to the 1990s on alternate protocols like Gopher or breathe new life into IRC and Newsgroups.
How would Gopher side step this?
My best guess is through complete obscurity :)
Assuming the law is written around the paradigm of HTTP.
sorry to break this to you, but zoomers are all adults now
These delineations are quite silly especially when used in a derogatory way. But if one plays that game, there are still “zoomers” who are minors.
Nearly positive that the youngest are still minors, but most of them are adults for sure.
I have a gen x cousin that still rants about millennials, quickly becoming the new Facebook uncle
The youngest millenials are almost 30, dude’s gotta get a new hobby or something, rants about Millenials haven’t been the in thing for like 10 years now.
Relevant XKCD
From Alpha to Beta in No Time Flat: Consequences of the Online Safety Act
Also most zoomers are adults now, so no
First they did it to millennials, now they’re doing it again to Zoomers
I remember in 2019 my workplace was doing large guest lectures from experts teaching how to work with millennials entering the workplace. The teacher early on tried to emphasize that most millennials at that point were late 20s up to almost 40 so everyone’s been working with them for a good amount of time now and the crowd was not interested in that.
Just venting about their teenage children who were gen z but wasn’t a term used much for a couple more years. Just as entertaining were old millennials in denial and certain they were gen x. Not as entertaining were old gen z that thought they were millennials but learned they were actually gen z and it was a moment of shrug shoulder and pretty much being like, “neat.” Like thinking your astrological sign or zodiac animal was one thing your whole life but was off by one.
Similar to like 2021/2022 when I started hearing about how terrible gen z workers out of college were because of growing up on tiktok. Gen z in the workforce at that time grew up on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and Snapchat. Twitter was genz and millennials tertiary social media. When TikTok came out they had been working for years already or just about to finish undergrad college. 2021/2022 gen z who had the brain rot got that well before TikTok became popular
“Adults”
They’re out of college and approaching 30
Yeah but I’m older so naturally I look at them as adolescents still
The majority of zoomers are 18 or older. The youngest are 13.
The internet’s inability to fact check anything before re-sharing it? Yes, I agree.
lol
Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
You don’t need Linux, you just need to get the driver from Nvidia’s website.
If they can’t figure this out, they really don’t belong on Linux.
You’d have the same issue with this on Linux, no? It isn’t OS-specific.
No you would not because you don’t need to go to the website to download software to use Nvidia on Linux. Also the Nvidia driver on Linux is literally just a driver and settings package it has no online features
You dont even need an nvidia card to open the nvidia settings on linux
The key thing is Linux is free and open source, free as In eat shit and fucking die government fucking pigs.
aka: the only kind of freedom that matters. lol
The official proprietary Nvidia drivers are just a regular Linux package I’m 99% sure, I have it installed on my laptop and it doesn’t involve a gui app at all.
There is the Nvidia X Server Settings app but it’s pretty barebones
Not really it is full featured under X under Wayland some of the features are replaced by your desktops features exclusively
In Linux you can use the open source nvidia drivers if you want
You don’t want to, though. They’re horrible. There’s an insane amount of effort that would be required to reverse-engineer drivers since Nvidia is at best negligent. AMD and Intel are much better about OSS.
been plug and play for me using Nvidia + Linux for years now. Just upgraded to a 5070ti, literally was take out old, put in the new.
I’m not fully a penguin, but getting there. Saw the memes, experienced it first hand in one case and was plug and play in another. It’s luck of the draw.
There’s a learning curve, sure.
There was one for Windows too, but most people don’t remember the hundreds of hours of learning that they’ve done to become competent users of Windows.
Just jump in, don’t dual boot. Having no option of giving up and booting Windows makes you motivated to learn how to use Linux.
There’s a community of people who will help (while also sometimes being insufferable assholes) and the skills you learn will be more durable. You’re not going to see Linux 11 come along and mandate that you buy a new computer or anything.
It’s not luck it’s pretty well defined what works
NVK is very slowly getting there, from what I’ve read. if I remember correctly, it’s still gives horrible performance (about 50%-ish of the closed source ones, I think?), but it’s still miles better than “you’re really better off using your integrated GPU” that noveau offered for ages.
Fair enough. I wish them well in the effort. It would be nice if Nvidia threw them a bone, though, what with all the AI money and their GPUs being used in so many Linux supercomputers and servers.
There’s a project working on making CUDA work on all (read: AMD) graphics cards. It’s alpha-level, but the progress makes it look promising.
e: Tom’s Hardware links are half the size of the article 😂
I know. The best you can do in Linux is not use nvidia.
That is no longer the case. The Nvidia drivers for Linux are pretty decent, these days. They’re still closed source, so if that’s a deal breaker for you, you’ll need to buy an AMD GPU.
The problem is not that they are bad, is that if someone makes a project that depends on the specific drivers then it will work much worse if the drivers are closed source. Wayland was unusable with nvidia drivers until recently.
I’m not sure if the closed-source drivers have social media garbage on them at the moment, but I’m very sure that I don’t trust Nvidia not to add it.
This is quite frankly nonsense
I’m not aware that the Nvidia drivers for Linux require an app registration. If that were the case, I’d definitely have heard about the uproar.
Reminder that there is a petition for UK residents, now with 500 000 signatures: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903
Reminder that they already responded
The Government has no plans to repeal the Online Safety Act, and is working closely with Ofcom to implement the Act as quickly and effectively as possible
Doesn’t stop us from continuing to push. Since they responded we got 300 000 more signatures.
Point is, this law was not created in service of the public. It’s just another surveillance measure. Much like Chat Control, which they’ve pushed over and over again, despite getting pushback from literally everyone around the world every time. You could have everyone in the EU sign that petition and it wouldn’t matter because it’s not for you.
Wouldn’t it be sick if y’all just responded on voting day?
Here’s the pitch: Do you want to prevent horrible nonsense shit from happening? Do you like money? Are you okay with people in general? Fucking vote.
You do realise that Labour were voted in as the progressive alternative on a bunch of pretty progressive campaign pledges right? The Online Safety Act and treating peaceful protesters as terrorists certainly weren’t what people voted for.
Guess you should be on the street protesting and banging down the doors of politicians then.
I do not realize that, I’m not from there nor do I pay attention to their politics. This was more so a call to everyone everywhere to show up at whatever booth it may be and prevent shitty policies from being considered, let alone passed.
That said, I do appreciate the info, and moreso appreciate that you archived it and linked a paywall free version. That was thoughtful.
To translate it to American, it’s a similar two party system as yours, and the UK Dems are the ones doing this.
Yeah unfortunately one vote every 4 or 5 years is not enough granularity to weigh in on specific issues. Also, politicians lie about what they will do all the time.
Showing that a large amount of people are against an action, whether by petition or protest, is one of the tools we do have.
This particular piece of legislation has been in the works for two administrations of two different parties. We’re kind of sick of both of them so I think many people will likely vote for a 3rd party the next time around. Possibly the more progressive splinter group of our 'left" party.
I hope you’re right. But in my experience, every country ends up voting for 1 of the 2 largest parties because “that other party will not get even 5%” and the whole population ends up disregarding them. And this is by design.
Honestly, I pray that you’re right and the UK people actually tells the main parties to fuck right off.
Your voting chose have already been scientifically proven to be meaningless, democracy is fake.
The game has been rigged.
Voting exists to stop you changing things.
It makes you believed you solved the problem
when you’ve actually accomplished nothing yetThe voting is game is lost before it began
with psychometric micro demographic targetting
they can convert money into votes with simple manipulation
it’s just a matter of which money interest push more
on their preferred optionbut neither of the two choices is on your side
None of the choices in democracy are working for you
So main issue with this comment is the UK system allows for more than 2 choices.
Yes there are many choices, very similar degrees of ultimately the same thing. Same thing here in Canada.
Often it’s the business elite party and the “business elite but pretending to care about the people’s interest party” and that second one is also split so the straight up business elite party has a chance to win. Followed by series of do-nothing statistically insignificant, flavour-text parties just for the impression of diversity. It’s all a little circus to give you the idea the population is in control while being completely out of the equation. It only really serves to dissipate their frustration and make them believe they’ve already done everything they could so we don’t get guillotines in the streets.
Make no mistake Fukuyama is right, this IS the end of history, there will not be any democratically elected changes unless the powerful decide change is in their interest and will maintain or increase their power.
Nothing will change until the power is physically taken away from them and history restarts.
A huge petition that undermines the government’s democratic mandate is never a bad thing, even if they responded.
Ok but they should still attempt every avenue no?
