The Finnish government is now a substantial way through its programme to cut €9 billion of public spending by 2027, including large reductions to social security (including housing, child, and unemployment benefits) healthcare, education, and municipal funding budgets, while it also increasing taxes on average earners. Cuts to healthcare provision have been particularly brutal, including a large reduction in hospital staff numbers, elderly care and disability services while redefining “minimum service obligations” to justify providing patients with lower quality care. The government has also slashed funding for organisations working on peace and initiatives which would address the new cold war-style relations with Russia.
And among the beneficiaries of a new tooled-up and aggressive Finland are the arms dealers of the Israeli apartheid-genocide complex, which in 2024 sold Finland its questionably functional “David’s Sling” air defence system for €316 million. Finland has also bought tank and ship missiles from the Israeli company Rafael which supplied most of the weapons and equipment used to commit the genocide of Gaza. The Finnish government said Israel’s genocide of Gaza would not stop it buying weapons from the country, a position which is par for the course among the morally bankrupt leaders of Europe.
ohhh wow this thread is interesting to read as someone from finland
anyway, as a finn: FUCK NATO.
i hope russia doesn’t shell us before the population wakes up and forces the government to leave the “alliance”, which is dead anyway. a european only politically neutral non-imperialist defensive alliance would be great though.
i’m sure there’s people that see this comment and want to debate me on this, but i have to admit i have no interest in debating this with anyone else except for people in my country to change their minds. these are just my opinions and i’m saying them so people don’t get the wrong impression that everyone in this country is pro-nato
Wait so you’d prefer Russia shells you AFTER you leave the alliance? Wouldn’t that leave you more vulnerable?
Russia has no interest in invading anyone unless provoked. But we’re so scared that we seem to ignore how NATO, a “defensive” coalition has only engaged in aggressive, unprovoked wars that has never been defensive. And countless innocents have died from that.
The government here loves to just do things. There was no public referendum before joining NATO, the government just chose to do so and only informed its population afterwards. This is how it has been for as long as I can remember. They mentioned having hosted “Israeli” weapon manufacturers last May, but only after-the-fact, and also they mentioned that they’ve been working with Palantir for the past decade already. They don’t care, they do whatever the fuck they want up there. This country is so cooked bro, and its completely every single politicians’ fault. They should all face firing squads. I hate this fucking place.
That’s just how democracies™ are supposed to operate. You get to vote for which group of guys will just do things.
It’s deeply morbid and perverse how when a guy that just “does things” can seemingly only do things that enrich some corporation at the expense of the citizenry. We never have a guy that just arrests corporate board members of energy firms, or weapons manufacturers.
because the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie will not allow for someone who is not a bourgeois to get into power. you just choose who’s going to rob you, democratic centralism is a true form of democracy, not this bullshit.
That’s exactly right. As the article itself shows it was a liberal and “social-democratic” and women-lead government of Sanna Marin which laid the groundwork for the local (far-)right to drive us into the fascist NATO’s arms. The votes are made up, it’s the money that matters. But the finnish people are too proud and too propagandized to consider that their country could actually be one of the bad ones, and that they too could be mislead by said countries. Also finns are inherently racist and xenophobic, and have a long and outstanding history with fascism
While the choice of suppliers is unfortunate, the reality is there are few manufacturers in other places that can meet demand on short notice. Finland needs to be prepared to defend itself from a vile imperialist who does not know the meaning of good faith negotiation. As continental armament spools up, one can only hope that it is a short term compromise.
In terms of reductions to social programs, that is again a deeply troubling, but unfortunate necessity in the face of existential threat. Finland is a front line nation, and I promise you, the elderly and disabled will not be better served by Russian artillery shells falling on their heads.
As for moral bankruptcy, that term is far more applicable to the great powers that are forcing Europe and others into rearmament in the first place, like the US, Russia and China. Putin and Trump are existential threats to humanity, and while Bibi is a war criminal in his own right, he is functionally small potatoes by comparison to the alternatives.
Finland needs to be prepared to defend itself from a vile imperialist who does not know the meaning of good faith negotiation.
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
I only believe western media when it suits my world view vibes
When media admits things that runs against their interests/narratives it is more believable than when it fits in with their narratives and interests generally yes. Is that really a controversial idea?
Or maybe you have a media literacy problem.
just Sayin Shit, as you guys are wont to do
Taking bias and interests into account when evaluating how much stock to take in a piece of information and it’s source is a media literacy problem in your eyes?
Are you sure you’re not the one with the problem?
How does that change Russia being an imperialist country filled with neonazis of its own?
Russia is not an imperialist country at present, despite Western propaganda to the opposite. Previously:
Russia, if given its druthers, would be imperialist, but since it presently doesn’t, it presently isn’t. Putin tried to join NATO once, to join the imperialist club, but that was rejected, because the US wanted Russia Balkanized & plundered instead. Russia has figured out it’s better off allying with Global South countries than attempting imperialist adventures upon them. And this war has accelerated that allyship.
And while Russia does have a few neonazis, as most countries do, they don’t hold a candle to the scale of Ukraine’s.
Ffs you guys are too much
here you can see the brain of a liberal under spontaneous combustion when reality hit em
That’s your reply lmfao?
Engage with at least one source.
What’s the problem? It’s literally full of sources and documentation that counters your worldview. How is it too much to present that? Just want to keep you and your thoughts inside a bubble?
that are forcing Europe and others into rearmament in the first place, like the US, Russia and China. Putin and Trump are existential threats to humanity, and while Bibi is a war criminal in his own right, he is functionally small potatoes by comparison to the alternatives.
Holy fucking braindead fascist take, I don’t even know where to begin with such a disgusting post.
First you excuse trading with a genocidal settler state, you’d be willing to sacrifice those in poverty and in need. With the excuse they’d be protected from Russian shells? Hello? Russia has not attacked Finland, and they had every right to attack Finland during WW2 because Finland was literally fighting with the Nazis. For fucks sake until a few years ago, their military emblem had the SWATSIKA!
Then your last paragraph, sincerely how is Russia an existential threat to humanity? In fact why the FUCK is China on the same level? What have they done to be treated like the monsters of Amerikan empire? China has not attacked anyone, they have not done anything but bloodthirsty liberals like you just delude yourselves into a panic over imaginary threats.
Meanwhile your countries, your empire has killed millions and inflicted suffering for decades, many, many decades! You enforce austerity and extract all their resources and anyone who fights back get painted as literal demons and suffer collective punishment.
And then you call Bibi a small potato in term of war criminal… compared to Russia and China? Are you fucking stupid?
Pick up a gun and follow your leader, thanks!
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Hitler particles off the charts
You talk like a bloodthirsty redditor who will treat these serious topics as just another debatebro distraction. You are genuinely reprehensible and you genuinely need to consider how this sounds to others.
Uyghurs, to Hong Kong, and what China did to Tibet before his time (or at least, those he isn’t able to stop from knowing).
WOW, fuck you. You don’t care about the Uyghurs, how about you focus on the real genocide happening in Palestine that you consider to not be a problem at all. Hong Kong? You mean the region England took over from China with force after the opioid war that England itself started? Tibet? Which its people suffered actual slavery, frequent amputations as punishments? Which was ruled by the Dalai Lama who is also all over the Epstein files?
Genuinely, take my advice from earlier; Pick up a gun and follow your leader.
you are not a tankie you disgusting piece of shit, you are exactly the kind of person who makes a perfect nazi. they’re not openly ideological about their shit, but just coincidence every opinion you spit out of mouth is the same opinion a nazi would have. your fucking colonial project will end, the whole west will rot out, all you filthy gringos, you will not be able to steal other people’s work anymore, and you’re too deep in your ass to see you’re fucking yourself. the century of humiliation is ahead of you, you better be ready.
God damn. I’ve never seen a liberal label themselves as a tankie until now. And the reason is because you want to kill Russians. Truly child-like levels of political understanding on top of deranged violent bigotry.
actively threatening Poland
Have I missed something???
“Tankie” is just another pejorative for communist, which you most certainly are not. So you go around spouting bullshit and lies and fear mongering with war for what? Because you are a scared fool, just as these western governments want you to be. And next you’ll be cannonfodder for them. Just stop, go away.
Because you are a scared fool, just as these western governments want you to be. And next you’ll be cannonfodder for them.
So you say we should not be scared of Russia, yet you also say we will be cannonfodder for western governments.
… cannonfodder against what country? Since Russia is not a threat according to you.
what country? Whatever your empire decide to fight, could be Russia/China, any BRICS country, any middle eastern country, fuck if America paint a well put propaganda against Greenland you mindless beasts will fight and die like cannon fodder to protect capitalism.
Capitalism? Who is defending capitalism? This isn’t the 1900s, both capitalism and communism have proven incomplete and untenable. No wonder you people can’t win a war even with overwhelming numbers. Still stuck fighting last century’s wars.
No wonder you people can’t win a war even with overwhelming numbers.
“You people”? Who do you imagine you’re talking to?
No wonder you people can’t win a war even with overwhelming numbers.
Nice of you to use the propaganda that Nazi Germany loves to dehumanize the people of former-USSR.
both capitalism and communism have proven incomplete and untenable.
Right… whatever you say “tankie”
You are exactly who Bari Weiss and Peter Theil want every “tabkie” to be.
The whole world knows what happened to the Uyghurs, to Hong Kong, and what China did to Tibet before
The UK’s 99 year lease to subjugate the people of Hong Kong ended, a lease which had been forced upon Imperial China at gunpoint during the century of humiliation. Hong Kong reintegration after the lease expired was a foregone conclusion. The last minute, US-backed attempt at color revolution failed. It was the so-called “revolutionaries” who brought the brutality, by the way.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
- The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
- A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
- The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
- Uyghur genocide allegations
- American Debunks All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
- US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
- The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
I’m pretty sure virtually all of the Tibetan people are happy to no longer be suffering under theocratic feudalism. Happy to no longer be illiterate serfs and slaves living in depredation under a god-king. I doubt many of them are sad that CIA asset Dalai “suck my tongue” Lama is in exile.[1]
Disgusting. “dismantling the welfare state, condemning multiple of the marginalized and vulnerable to poverty, homelessness and hunger and working closely with the various fascist entities is bad and all, but have you considered the RuZzIaNs?”. I hope you get that fucking war you’re mongering for, and I hope you die in it, you fucking fascist.
Can I get a death wish from you to? Im tired.
It is perplexing what happen to Finns this last decade, I cannot understand. I think it has to be a very well coordinated traditional and specially social media campaign that was able to override 3/4 of a century of pragmatism and wise decisions.
But it is not just Finns, all Baltics and Scandinavians fell for it.How come Moscow is more than a threat now than has been the Soviet times where they were really powerful and messing with countries right and left, near and f. Once Finland guaranteed no NATO in the 50s, Russia left Finland to prosper like no other country in Europe did… and now, this. Russia has been, for a decade say, year after year, after year… that they would consider NATO in Ukraine as a no-no. It is not just that Ukraine cannot choose its destiny, but that we dismiss Moscow’s concerns after being invaded multiple times by the West through Ukraine… a claim they may have! Especially when certain politicians have been mentioning for a decade to partition Russia into different microstates!
Funny enough, after decades admiring the Scandinavians, the most sanity in Europe seems to be in the PIGS countries now. Probably due to their skepticism to governments’ propaganda, it is what saved them from the abnormal levels of Russophobia that social media had been flooded with all these years
Not a news source. This is a one-sided, agenda-driven editorial.
I don’t know if you were aware, but you can just not write imbecilic comments on public forums.
please stop spreading cia propaganda and stop trolling. the source uses a lot of valid data but i guess you libs are allergic to numbers and reality
Yeah, gotta use trustworthy sources like… CNN… or BBC… or Guardian… or other western media, surely no biases! (Just ignore their defensive coverage of “Israel”)
The entire post is propaganda. It’s enough to analyse the language used to see that. The author tries to show Finland’s conscious decision to, like most European countries, increase spending on defence, as “bad NATO is forcing them to cut children’s health care”
Nobody asked the population if we wanted to join NATO, if we even believed Russia to be a threat, fuckface! This whole shit was an incredible show how undemocratic the whole west has always been. And still there are unthinking fucking dipshits like you, liberal or fascist – which doesn’t even fucking matter cause you’re made of the same fucking cloth anyway, parroting the same fucking talking points that the western puppets in charge are making! Why do you choose to be so fucking blind? You fucking sheep, you absolute fucking infantile fool!
I’m sorry but Russia is invading Ukraine and keeps sending drones in nearby countries, including mine. That is a fact, not “talking points that the western puppets in charge are making”. Not everything a western nation says is false just because they’re a western nation. Western nations also say the Earth is not flat. So would you say the Earth is flat then? You are allowed to not trust any country, absolutely, but even if you think the West is a broken clock, guess what people say about broken clocks.
Two more things.
Firstly, being anti-Russia is not fascist. Russia isn’t even communist anymore, so even the angle of “being anti-communist means you’re a fascist” doesn’t work here. And even if Russia was still the USSR, fascism and communism are not the entire political spectrum. Under that reduction of political thought to just 2 options, that means the USA in WW2 was communist because they fought against fascists. And you surely wouldn’t claim that.
Secondly, I echo bstix’s question. You wanted Finland to ask its citizens if you wanted to join NATO or not, while at the same time saying voting solves nothing. So why did you want to be asked? Let’s say they held a vote on this, and the majority of your country voted against joining NATO and then the country joins anyway. What would you voting have accomplished then? You either cede that Finland needed to vote on this, or you cede that voting doesn’t work. Both opinions can’t be held by the same person without contradictions appearing.
oh hey, it’s shitlib and his little buddy turbolib. not gonna engage with you either.
I point out a contradiction you made and your response is this. You’re clearly in a bubble yourself, as you accuse others of being, and you shortcircuited on your own contradiction to the point you refuse to engage. Personally I don’t need you to engage with me. I left a comment that you are free to ignore, block me, whatever. But the contradiction doesn’t magically vanish if you plug your ears and ignore everyone else.
An election on this issue would not have changed a thing. At the time, polls showed that 84% of the population was for joining. The decision was made by the parliament with 188 for, 8 against and 3 who didn’t care.
It’s a representative democracy working as intended. If you’re unhappy with how your representative represented your vote, you need to vote for someone else.
It’s a representative democracy working as intended. If you’re unhappy with how your representative represented your vote, you need to vote for someone else.
That is literally the problem with western “democracy”. Incredible you consider this a good thing. Time and time again people are disappointed in their current political situation but hey, after a set amount of years a ritual called “VOTING(western style)” will initiate and you get to choose a pre-approved selection of candidates who promise things but will never deliver and also do completely different things in service of CAPITAL.
Oh we don’t even get to remove any politicians that are astoundingly unpopular until that ritual starts, what a “democracy” it is!
Instead of having direct voting on policies like any actual democratic country like China, DPRK or former-USSR. What a fucking idiot you are.
Voting doesn’t change shit you fucking imbecile, representative democracy is part of the problem along with capitalism.
So if not by voting, how exactly do you propose that they should have asked the population?
that’s the crux of my argument i’d say. there is no alternative for the people but to agree with their leaders, even if they personally disagree. My solution now would be a communist revolution with an armed vanguard party, followed by an immediate disentanglement from the west, NATO, EU and Euro, with stronger ties to both the AES countries and Russia, though Russia might not trust us for obvious reasons. This would facilitate the improving of the local workers’ material conditions and thus improve the living conditions degraded for the capitalist class’ interests. The revolution and armed class struggle is needed because without it we’d subject ourselves to possible coups by foreign capitalist forces empowering the local fascist elements. Though they’d keep trying this never the less obviously. NATO needs its frontline, after all. Unfortunately for us, no such vanguard party seems to exist in Finland and the workers are left forced to agree to whatever whims the rulers have for us.
So… if people can’t trust the leaders that they elect, who is going to lead your communist revolution?
