Cross-posted from “FYI: StarTrek.website is no longer federating with Lemmy.dbzer0.com” by @Admin@startrek.website in !quarks@startrek.website

Crossposting here since y’all won’t be able to see it now that they’ve defederated us.

If you’re not familiar with how Lemmy/the Fediverse works, basically everything you read at StarTrek.website is hosted by us, even if the content originated elsewhere. That means we are responsible for everything here and we have to decide if we are comfortable boosting content from other instances.

If you’re curious, the final straw here was learning that db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people, which needless to say goes against our instance values and we simply don’t have the manpower to moderate that volume of content incoming from their server to a degree that we feel meets our quality standards, which left defederating as the only viable option.

In keeping in line with past trends we’re announcing this because is is a larger instance and don’t want to leave any of the crew confused as to why something may be missing.

I don’t consider this a massive loss tbh. We already have !Risa@lemmy.dbzer0.com and !tenforward@lemmy.world was already more active than their whole instance. And I’m sure @Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com can provide the noxious lore of their instance if you’re interested. The only loss would be not having members such as @Kirk@startrek.website running around running interference for DDoSers like @ptz@dubvee.org. Also Admiral Patrick of the Tesseract fame, was also an admin on their instance iirc so this is a clear retaliation as far as I’m concerned, even though we didn’t actually do anything to AP.

But also

db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

What the fuck does this even mean? Can someone ask for an example? Is this about Luigi? IDFK…

PS: Will this drama season never end? I want my free time back >_<

  • oceanwaveswoosh@lemmy.world
    4·
    3 hours ago

    Nobody providing any context at all, going on long context-free rants with layers upon layers of “you had to be there” comments. The more I read of this, the angrier I become, not at the drama, but at the unwillingness to explain what happened or provide context. I’m supposed to just know. This is an awful experience.

    • Hildegard (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      8·
      3 hours ago

      Tesseract was a piece of trojan horse malware that purported to be an alternate Lemmy interface. It added a different UI and some features to the web interface of instances that were well liked. However, its true purpose was to secretly add a block list to instances that run it. It blocked instances, and URLs that the developer personally disliked, without telling anyone that it was doing it.

      This drama started when the developer added dbz0 and blahaj to the blocklist, and the dbz0 admins noticed it and blew the whistle.

      This caused Lemmy users to actually read the source code, and they found much more, like a second doubly secret blacklist that tesseract download from the developer’s server at runtime. That list blocked many prominent Lemmy users individually, so naturally many of them took that as a badge of honor and posted about being on the list.

      The developer has continued his public crash out. He’s done many things, like defending his actions using alt accounts, deleting the github to stop nob-malware forks, and posting lengthy supervillian type monologues about why he did it. The most recent one, he claimed to be leaving the fediverse, and posted it to his own website with a script to make any readers DDOS the dbz0 instance as revenge for breaking the story.

      He’s now using his own instance to defederate dbz0 as a continuation of his crashout to get revenge or something. He said he’s left but no probably not.

      That’s about where this whole situation stands. Hope this helps.

      • oceanwaveswoosh@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 hours ago

        It does help, actually. Thank you for sharing this context as well as disclosing which specific instances were blocked. This is very very odd behavior for a developer to engage in for no money.

      • oceanwaveswoosh@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 hours ago

        Thank you. This is such strange behavior. So, he wanted to trick people into using a censored version of Lemmy? To what end?

        • Senal@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          2 hours ago

          If their parting message is to be believed it’s because they are the last bastion of sanity.

          Can’t link to the original because they added a script that ddos’d an instance they don’t like…you know…like a well adjusted saviour would do.

            • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              2 hours ago

              That’s the irony, a lot of people noted that if he had only been upfront about it, he’d probably have gotten some level of adoption. Instead he burned his bridges with the entire fediverse.

              He did have his own instance with his own blocklist running. Nobody realised quite how extensive the list was at the time. Didn’t have many users though, probably because the place was a barren wasteland after being filtered through all his blocks. That wasn’t good enough for him.

      • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        2·
        3 hours ago

        In short an entitled frontend developer decided to try censoring a large portion of Lemmy in the app he made. He attempted to hide it but got caught when he blocked our instance and @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com our admin investigated and discovered it. The second he went public about it people were outraged about it, as they should be. What he did is a major overstep on his part to try to dictate moderation on servers he has no control over.

          • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            4·
            2 hours ago

            He doesn’t just want to curate his own community. He wants to censor stuff for everyone else, even on servers which he has no authority to do so. That’s why he tried to hide the changes, including obfuscating the instance block function to say the server isn’t compatible.

              • fervent_apathy@anarchist.nexusEnglish
                1·
                14 minutes ago

                He ironically claimed it was to allow other people to be seen/heard “through the noise”, and to “save the fediverse” so I’d say it’s more than likely.

                All of which is fine to do from an administered back end… Like dubvee for example (the instance he ran). But I guess that wasn’t good enough, and he felt his will needed to be enforced on other instances also.

  • gedfromgont@piefed.caEnglish
    3·
    4 hours ago

    Startrek.website was the first instance I chose years ago coming from Reddit.

    I abandoned it because I noticed mods (or admins?) deleting seemingly random stuff and opinions without much explanation. Took me a while to catch it because I remembered seeing this one post and then later in the day it was just gone, no reference to anything in the modlog.

    Obviously just anecdotal evidence and my own subjective experience, but I had Startrek.website on my personal blocklist ever since. I see now that wasn’t transferred when I made this account on Piefed, ah well, here we go again.

  • A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    201·
    8 hours ago

    If you’re curious, the final straw here was learning that db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

  • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    7·
    8 hours ago

    I knew the story wouldn’t end with him taking down his own instance. Either it was going to be brought back or he had another one.

  • nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    27·
    13 hours ago

    I tried asking for examples and this was the response i got

    They have a right to operate however they see fit, and we have strict rules about linking to other instances with the intent of shaming someone or influencing their policy. If you have questions about dbzer0’s policies I recommend you take your questions to them.

    Which is funny because now i see your post and you don’t seem to know what you did and they refuse to share examples :/

    • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      11 hours ago

      we have strict rules about linking to other instances with the intent of shaming someone or influencing their policy

      That sounds like this is retaliatory action for db0 calling out AP for being a shitlord and demanding the censorship gets rolled back in Tesseract.

      After all, db0 shamed and tried to influence policy for a turd who wanted to control what their users could even see.

    • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
      14·
      12 hours ago

      Almost like there isn’t a reason just spite or pettiness.

      Especially as the reasoning of extra moderation needed would only be on the db0 side unless those admins of startrek wanted to curate what federates

  • Venia Silente@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    36·
    14 hours ago

    db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

    I mean if discussing how to defend yourself from capitalist / fasch / nazi opression counts as “hurting people”, I guess we could take that as a badge of honour? We don’t owe to our oppressors to put their welfare above ours!

    • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      9·
      7 hours ago

      I’m sure that admin is Admiral Patrick’s alt. There are signs that they share the same sentiment as him. I kind of knew he wasn’t going to just leave the Fediverse entirely.

      • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
        2·
        6 hours ago

        Based on mod log wonder if they have something like world that hides certain actions. A lot of people got banned from their comm after it was locked by an account that isn’t one of the 3 mods

    • Malyca@lemmy.zip
      10·
      13 hours ago

      Didn’t this have something to do with the tesseract drama? I think that guy has it out for the anarchists.

      • harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        13·
        10 hours ago

        Yes. db0 posted about the blocklist after updating Tesseract for the dbzero instance, basically putting it on blast (as they should have).

        The dev also turned their home page into a ddos enabler, using visitor browsers to send 2000 requests to the dbzero instance.

        Odds are good that this same person was also running the st.w instance.

        • Wobble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          3·
          2 hours ago

          That is unhinged behaviour and that sounds explicitly malicious and WE should defederate from hostile instances that target our infrastructure.

          I’m sure DDOSes are a crime in the jurisdiction they are in and in whatever value system they respect.

      • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
        12·
        11 hours ago

        the tesseract guy was also an admin on startrek.website and he has it out for anyone left of him like the piefed creator does.

  • Ricky Rigatoni@piefed.zipEnglish
    29·
    15 hours ago

    I’m genuinely trying to think of the last time I saw a post from startrek.website and drawing a blank.

  • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    43·
    17 hours ago

    db0 explicitly allows hosting discussions about hurting people

    Huh? Since when? Lol.

    Don’t think DB0 as a whole ever allowed such a thing. We as an instance are heavily against hurting others (I mean we are against racism, hatred, Zionism, Nazism… you name it).

    The discussion of Luigi is one that’s is actually needed to be had. The guy did something wrong, yes. But he had all the reasons for it. The industry hurts (and kills) thousands of people just for their profit. Just once they got the “favor” returned.

    Anyway, I have no idea what that particular instance is. So won’t be missing it either.

      • Thales@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        26·
        15 hours ago

        For all the talk about AdmiralPatrick’s unstable behavior, what gets me is this obsession with “no violence!!”

        What do they think Elon did with USAID or what healthcare companies do every day? Capitalism is grinding us into dust and literally destroying the planet, but when someone suggests a French solution they’re the lunatics? Bro, pull your head out.

        • lightnsfw@reddthat.com
          9·
          15 hours ago

          Those guys are killing you by taking away the things you need to live. That’s way different than shooting you! /s

    • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      13 hours ago

      luigi didn’t do anything wrong because he’s not the shooter

      the shooter did one thing wrong and that was not having the dingus for his gun so it would cycle properly with the extra weight of the suppressor.

  • Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    37·
    16 hours ago

    Uhh I’m fairly certain that Kirk isn’t running interference for Patrick and ptz. All three are the same sad and pathetic guy, from what I understand.