Okay, please educate me…
Aren’t liberals left wing? As in, to the left of the political center? In Canada our Liberal government is considered to be center left. Just how much is debatable, but left.
It’s always the most rancid take from a .world account.
Absolute losers over in .world, amirite?
Agreed
Seriously
It just has the toxic “intellectual” redditors since that’s the instance that was recommended most, but it’s not the majority of the users, just the highest concentration of them.
Dae tankie bad?
People on this platform want to be victims so bad. There’s more posts about people complaining about other people complaining about them then there actually is.
Already libs are down voting and its only been a minute
Surprisingly the ratio is still very high tho (>90%), usually proper socialist memes that are controversial for “left”-liberals get downvoted quite hard here as well
But you damn dirty commies disagreed with meeeeeeeeee!
How can you tell who’s downvoting?
Or is it a case of ‘everyone who downvotes me is a lib’?
Im an admin, I can see votes specific voters (along with when they voted)
Truth hurts, I guess.
I’d wager most leftists were liberals before becoming leftists.
So this may convert some new brethren!
Welcome aboard! Fill this glass bottle with gasoline and pass it on.Mix it with oil or styrophor if you want it to burn longer
I’d wager most leftists were liberals before becoming leftists.
Well, every person born in the west (and most other parts of the world these days) gets drenched in either liberal and/or fascist ideology (or, more usually, a combination of both) from birth… so that’s not exactly a risky wager on your part.
They aren’t independent of each other.
Liberals thinking they’re part of the left because reactionaries hate them. Surprise, I don’t like them either just for different reasons?
Liberals thinking they’re part of the left because their fellow reactionaries hate them.
Fixed that for you.
no, it’s the same reason. liberals are still right-wing, they just want to dominate minorities instead of exterminate them. it’s still white supremacy and fascism.
Good.
If they weren’t it would essentially mean we’ve lost all relevance.
Context?
Any of the anarchist meme communities on lemmy
Agreed, if you consider anarchist leftist and not closet-libertarians
Anarchist is considered libertarian left, while what we typically call Libertarian is libertarian right. Yes, Anarchist is libertarian, but with an emphasis on the welfare of people, while libertarian right is usually about the freedom of businesses to exploit the people.
- French anarcho-communists invent the synonym “libertarian”
- US fascists locally co-opt the word to obfuscate the inseparable nature of capital and state
- Person on explicitly leftist forums vibe checks that by “anachist” you didn’t mean “libertarian”
I’m tired, boss 😂
Is this even in question? Anarchism quite clearly fits within the sphere of libertarian ideas.
The weird part is thinking that’s a bad thing or somehow incompatible with leftism.
Yeah, but they also complain about liberals funnily enough.
Who doesn’t, honestly? If there’s one thing people of all political stripes can agree on it’s that liberals are annoying.
They are liberals, that’s why it’s funny.
liberal from an economic sense or a philosophical sense? there’s a difference
Anarchists are libertarian revolutionary socialists, WTF?
…what kind of definition of libertarian do you have, that anarchists aren’t included in it?
Edit: There are non-leftist anarchists, like the whole post-left thing, but I have a feeling that’s not what you mean
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Problem is that for European leftists right wing Russian authoritarian regime is the biggest threat
Socialist orgs in Europe are pretty much all anti-nato. Liberals are not the left, they are the center-right. The only place in the world that calls liberals “left” is amerikkka.
I assure you that no org nor individual with an anti-nato position thinks Russia is “the biggest threat”. The position is held by all of these orgs because US imperialism is the biggest and most dangerous threat to the left in the world responsible for many tens of millions of socialist deaths and has been ever since ww2.
I’m not even sure why you think socialists would care whether european billionaires, amerikkkan billionaires or russian billionaires get to exploit the working class. The nationalist battles over borders just determine who gets to exploit which members of the working class. What matters to socialists is who is harming and preventing socialist movements the most. The position of socialists is that the battles over borders should stop, period, not that one side is better than any other. Taking one side over the other is ultimately just throwing your hat in with one group of billionaires over the other instead of acknowledging the problem causing this is the entire international system.
I’m not even sure why you think socialists would care whether european billionaires, amerikkkan billionaires or russian billionaires get to exploit the working class
and regarding all the other shit takes from them have one simple explanation: polish “left”-lib
Yeah it’s clearly a nationalist position that lacks self-awareness that it’s nationalism. I just kinda wanted to steer through that without an accusatory “you’re a nationalist” line that would only provoke extreme defensiveness.
My next step is usually to ask what happens if their country goes socialist tomorrow. Who are the immediate enemies? Who are the immediate new potential trading partners? Where do they get weapons and ammunition from to defend their revolution?
The answers to these questions most people can usually get correct by themselves, without me pointing them out. And these answers lead people to why anti-nato is the position of socialists in europe, and also why socialists in europe are not explicitly anti-russia either. The situation for socialists is not the same situation faced by liberals but many would-be socialists (who aren’t in orgs) get strung along by the liberals into mistakenly believing it is because they do not have an org guiding them.
Dang I banned too early 😔
Is all good, anyone questioning it can run through those questions themselves.
I also like to ask people where Cuba gets their weapons, ammunition and fuel from. Also Burkina Faso, Venezuela, Bolivia (under MAS), Iran (who supplies palestinian resistance), DPRK, etc etc. Some of which they’ll object to being mentioned in the anti-imperialist camp at all but the question still remains, where do they get their weapons, supplies, fuel and other essentials from and what happens if that place suddenly didn’t exist tomorrow because nato magically eliminated it or whatever the fuck goes through these people’s heads.
Every single anti-imperialist group in the world requires them to survive. Thus the position is quite complex for anti-imperialists, even those that don’t necessarily approve of all actions occurring. But needless to say, nato is certainly the biggest threat to us in the world. Nobody has to like the current situation but understanding the geopolitical reality we exist in is essential.
As for the ban, maybe premature, I try to teach even the baby leftists and assume naivity. I’m often proven wrong about being so patient though.
Agreeing with you, don’t have much else to say.
As for the ban, maybe premature, I try to teach even the baby leftists and assume naivity. I’m often proven wrong about being so patient though.
Should have seen that you were trying to do so and since they were in an OK discussion mode and not actually shitlib-y. It’s just that my tolerance for that stuff is quite low TBH and I lack the capacity to engage with such patience as you (or god forbid on such a level as Cowbee <3)
USA is a bigger joke than Russia. Could not even start invading Iran. Got it’s shit rocked, and went back crying to mommy Israel.
You seem to be thinking how a nationalist (or transnationalist if you simp for the EU) chauvinist liberal…
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I’m not even from the USA lol, literally from Europe.
The EU is a union of financial capital and a bastion of it’s own reactionary neo-colonialism and imperialism…
Also you don’t sound like a socialist TBH
Hearing the word “reactionary” from a self-proclaimed leftist is a red flag, because it’s used the same way right-wingers use “woke”. Basically most can’t define it without looking it up, or explain how it applies to what they’re critiquing.
Hearing the word “reactionary” from a self-proclaimed leftist is a red flag,
Oh my good lord… where the fuck do you liberals get this kind of garbage from? PragerU?
Actually based on simple observation, like the fact that I’m seemingly the only one here who has defined “reactionary”.
I’m seemingly the only one here who has defined “reactionary”.
And since when do you get to “define” terms that you obviously don’t understand?
It’s common knowledge for every socialist TBH
A reactionary is somebody who wants to restore a previous status quo. Which us not something the EU is trying to do.
In the socialist/Marxist context it’s used differently just FYI
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This is what the liberal brain thinks the left really believe
Not the average leftist, yes, but there is a sizeable number of people with strange beliefs…
Liberal memes: “Actually the leftists are worse because they don’t want us to be able to get rich even though I said I’m ok with gay people”
This is what liberalism does to you, if you’re not a leftist feel free to leave nobody is making you stay and be antagonistic
wat ._.
