Young people have no idea what it used to smell like. For a decade everything reeked of smoke and hairspray.
Everywhere you went felt like a bowling alley.
You could taste it in the air
Galadriel: Feel it in the water
I feel it in my fingers
This is so real. Like everyone had a broom on their heads. It was full on capybara hair.
It was awesome.
now that you mention it, cheese burgers taste different than they used to because of this most likely.
They changed the oils they cooked with from tallow to whichever vegetable oil is cheapest. Those newer oils burn at cooking temperature and add a flavour to the fried meat
That happened in the late '80s when the lies about saturated fat became popular
As a white man from this era I always preferred the pixie.
Kids these days don’t even know about the hole in the ozone later.
in australia they absolutely do
we take skin cancer very seriously down here
Trump wants to bring it back.
We managed to dial things back a bit, so that became a smaller problem.
We used to see regular news reports of actual rivers on fire. Things are still way too bad, but we forcefully throttled some things as we saw how quickly the damage was compounding.
Women’s hair doesn’t defy gravity without lots of help.
Oh my god I needed your comment for it to finally click, I was thinking “they stopped putting their hair up to protect their shoulders from the increased UVs”? But of course, it was referencing the sprays!
I just told my kid about how we fixed acid rain through regulation just this morning
Well it’s understandable, the concept of being able to actually cooperate and do something about the environment on a world scale instead of just blindly pretending it’s not a thing until it kills us all is a bit hard to believe for younger generations for obvious reasons.
I don’t understand, why would it sound implausible? Isn’t that what governments are FOR?
Not when all governments have been captured by oil tycoons it isn’t.
But government BAD! Taxes BAD!
I know, the government is bad, so if we put a bad man in charge it’ll be a double negative and become good, right?
It’s kinda our last big environmental win.
iirc ~1/4 of the worlds energy production is renewable. More than 90% of all new electricity capacity worldwide came from renewable sources in 2024. Doomers want you to believe it can’t happen again while we are in the very decade that is likely to change the world. Public policy doesn’t even matter at this point, renewable energy is cheaper, so nearly all new investments are in renewables.
That’s only the case because it was the cheapest option available for a while. Oil execs noticed the trend and got cold feet, now a lot of governments are cutting back subsidies for renewables and actively hinder new projects being build. Here in germany we have investors abandoning half build solar parks cause they aren’t profitable anymore. At the same time we allow oil companies to bid for gigantic offshore projects just so they can say that they have no interest in actually building it after they won.
With the ozon hole you could see the world working together to fix it despite it beeing somewhat less profitable. With renewables you can see governments actively working against the movement despite it being the best in terms of environment and profits combined.
We could stop producing all greenhouse gases today, and the planet would continue warming for 100 years. it’s a pretty tough problem we have on our hands.
There’s been some conservation wins that I know of. Okaloosa Darter fish came off of endangered status, and eventually off of threatened The Red Cockaded Woodpecker was elevated from endangered to threatened a few years ago.
Controlled burns in the US long leaf pine forests have also lead to a return of the quail population.
Just trying to sprinkle a little good news out there.
None of that is worldwide.
American Bison, too. The repopulation of American bison (often mistakenly called buffalo) is one of the most successful repopulation efforts in history. The reason you’re able to order buffalo (again, not actually buffalo) burgers at your local hipster burger joint is because American bison is no longer endangered. The population has come from less than 1000 total bison (all privately owned by a handful of conservationists) to over 400k today.
I saw on Ted Turner’s wiki page that he helped with that.
I had a Bison meatloaf once that was so good. It’s so much lighter than beef. It was like eating a meat cloud.
Cockaded Woodpecker
Now your just making shit up.
Winner of the “most penis euphemisms in one name” award.
The irony of all ironies is how similar the words “conservation” and “conservative” are.
That’s because the root of both is to conserve. To keep things the way they are.
Politics gets in the way of that reality since they don’t actively want to keep it the same, they actually want to regress back to previous times they can exploit personally.
The thing is it kinda isn’t. The ozone layer still needs about 20 years to get back to 1960 levels and the number of problematic states for this increasing again
Tbf, its not even yet a win technically.
TCO is expected to return to 1980 values around 2066 in the Antarctic, around 2045 in the Arctic, and around 2040 for the near-global average (60°N-60°S). - Source
If we turn around climate change, even if we fail to avoid quadrillion dollar sea level rise, I’m going to call it a win
I hope we don’t lose too much before we do win though, or after we do
So is that good news, that we’re moving in the right direction?
Though the very next sentence from that linked source says
The assessment of the depletion of TCO in regions around the globe from 1980-1996 remains essentially unchanged since the 2018 Assessment.
2018 to 2022 didnt see much change (and given how far until its fully returned to normal, I think you can see qhy - it takes a long time to fully heal), but we’re certainly pretty far into success compared to where we were.
Well not to worry, all these internet swarm satellites might cause another one.
how so?
Video overview: https://youtu.be/oKK0dgDIxKY
There’s many studies, so here’s two:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2024GL109280
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2025EF007229
Article: https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/how-elon-musks-dying-satellites-could-hurt-the-ozone-layer
tl;dr: the massively increased rate of rocket launches and re-entry satellite burn-ups is creating a significant amount of pollution that is probably damaging the Ozone layer.
Fucks saaaake.
Most don’t know that we have an ozone layer let alone that there is a hole in it.
One of my coworkers insists that the hole in the ozone layer is an iris that expands and contracts for regulation. When I asked him what it was regulating, he just shrugged and gave a look that said “I don’t know, you tell me”
He also claimed that believing that humans were capable of changing the global climate was pure hubris, despite the USSR deleting the Caspian sea decades ago.
And he thinks the wind turbines that have been installed in the past 10 years are making tornadoes worse, contradicting his claims that humans can’t change the climate
I think your coworker may be a lost cause, do you think you could convince him that anti-freeze and turpentine will make him see god?
Engineering a death by misadventure doesn’t seem ethical to me
Just wait for the people he follows on the internet to tell him
in a situation in which harm increase over time, like the rise of far right, anti-science, environmental damage, etc… perhaps that “wait” is a less ethical solution than to solve the problem
now, perhaps causing harm isn’t the way to go, but… the lesser of 2 evils may still be somewhat problematic
“For regulation” is a pretty weird take, but it is self regulating (in the absence of pollution from humans). When the ozone layer is thin, more UV gets through from the sun. UV from the sun ionizes O2 and splits it apart, creating oxygen free radicals which recombine and create ozone. Thus, less ozone leads to more ozone, hence self-regulation.
ozone later
Well that’s because we’re at now, not at later.
We’ve had one ozone yes, but what about later ozone?
nozone
Frozone
Bowling
Calzone
Pal zone
[gets hit on head by aerosol can.]
Oh don’t worry, it’s coming back
I thought the aerosols that affect the environment refer to the tiny aerosol particles at higher levels in the atmosphere.
Everyone in the 80s seemed to confuse the with aerosol hairspray, which wasn’t really a huge contributor. Still aren’t most sprays today generally not this so called aerosol style anymore?
It was the Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) that were used as the primary propellant in aerosol sprays. More commonly known by the brand name Freon. Notice that basically every aerosol can manufactured today has a “CFC Free” badge somewhere. Refrigerant systems also moved away from using actual Freon, and now use alternative refrigerants.
CFCs were actually invented by the same guy who invented leaded gasoline, Thomas Midgley Jr… He is probably the single most environmentally destructive chemical engineer in history.
On the plus side, one of his inventions killed Thomas Midgley Jr., arguably the most environmentally destructive chemical engineer in history
Name me another chemical engineer that could be argued did more harm. I don’t think all of Monsanto with agent orange and Roundup has done more than the TEL and CFC fuckup.
Where’s he buried? How long is the line to piss on his headstone?
Late 80s hairsprays and other canned aerosols were a sizeable contributor.
They were an easy fix, and stopped being a problem almost as soon as people decided to do something. That was way before the problem reached mainstream media, so when people started talking about it, they weren’t a problem anymore. But they surely were a problem for some time.
I do remember people complaining that the new hairspray didn’t have any hold.
I also remember punks resorting to egg whites and Elmer’s, but I can’t say that I know that’s related.
I also remember punks resorting to egg whites and Elmer’s
Punks actually just did that anyway, even back when the good hairspray was still plentiful. Everyone just had their own “best” method that they swore by: egg whites, school glue, Knox gelatin, I even knew a couple of gutter punks who put their mohawks up with spray paint. I used to use an extra thick hair gel that you could only find in places where they sold hair care products for black people. I think most people probably preferred the hairdryer and AquaNet method though. It was cheap, relatively easy, and it worked.
My secret was simple: hairblower with the cheapest maximum hold spray.
I would start at the base of my scalp and spray some hairspray and then with a comb, raise a spot of hair at a time while blowing hot hair on that spot.
In less than 5 mins, my mohawk was ready and strong.
When I wanted to go the extra mile, I would then cover the mohawk in hair gel and blow dry it just like I did with hairspray. My mohawk would stay straight for a few days and it was quite easy to wash. Good times
I’m alternate reality croquette and I endorse this method.
Only I didn’t use a comb.
I dont even really remember women actually wearing their hair like this, and I’m old as fuck.
Old enough to remember when women had loads of free time because washing machines and electric vacuums had been invented but they weren’t allowed to work after they were married?
yeah these look like 1+ hour styles that most people are only going to bother with for special occasions, unless they’re an actor with a staff stylist and/or filthy rich
When I think ozone destroying hair, I think teased 80s hair that A LOT of people wore
Like most people would change anything about their lifestyle for the common good… It just went out of style.
Sadly, you can’t get the proper hold without CFCs…
Is that so? How does the propellant matter?
It doesn’t. As long as it’s non-reactive, it only matters for the people designing the spay can.
I think the GP was sarcastic.
It lifts and separates.
It has what plants crave.
If only we could get industrial manufacturing and energy production regulated to evolve in the same way that personal care is.
But non-aerosol gel exists for the same purpose. Why don’t they use that?
You can still buy aerosol hair sprays too they just don’t use CFCs
Most use propane as a propellant now.
You can also use aerosol based ones, the propellant just has to be non crazy.
