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Don’t forget to report antisemitism, y’all.
and learn to know the difference between anti-zionism. most day to day life you’ll see people trying to pass off a notion that anti-zionism is anti-semitism from positions of power. but here lemmy it’s far too common for someone to push anti-semitism under the guise of anti-zionism.
zionism is an ideology built on hate. you cannot counter it with hate. you can only counter hate with empathy. sometimes that empathy will take the form of supporting people countering violence with violence in desperation to survive. pacifism is not an activity. it is a social value. in order for there to be peace, there must be people who weild their access to violence to protect vulnerable people from those who would weild violence for their own petty and ephemeral pleasure.
what’s more is that zionism is not a universally held jewish belief. the majority of the diaspora is against israel’s apartheid state. we don’t like it. it looks far too much like the apartheid states we lived in with the only difference being the aesthetic of the state. we find that shit offensive.
The Israeli dudes you see like in the videos of them spitting on women in hijabs on the street etc all look like inbred mongos fr
The young, angry, undereducated men are used as the tip of the spear against people living in the region.
Imagine the government encouraging angry high-school dropouts to come assault you and they can have your house.
The photo doesn’t even do him justice, watch the video. He’s a PERFECT representation of the worst of Israel in one person.
He’s Israel’s Trump, I expect this man to run for office, and win
Video? Where?
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I provided a link but it was auto-removed
Just search “l’espresso video” it should be on first page. Duck duck go.
Let me know if Google censors this on search, that would be funny
It is a very punchable face.
Why does everybody insist on calling enemy occupiers, “settlers”?
When Russian civilians move in to annexed Ukrainian lands they’re not called settlers. Settler suggests peaceful civilians moving somewhere they’re allowed to inhabit, to start a new life.
They’re invaders. Occupiers. Thieves.
Settlers my arse.
- you’re absolutely right, settler is the word the colonists want you to use
- historically, i can’t really think of any settlers who were peacefully domesticating unloved land. i think you can really only look at pre-historic first movers as non-violent “settlers” since anyone who’s been a settler since the invention of the written word has settled land against the interests and will of the indigenous people of those lands
The colonizing of North America, especially in the first century after its “discovery,” was often done by settlers moving into empty land. Except that the only reason it was empty is the inhabitants had already been killed by disease brought by the Spanish. Within 150 years after contact, the population of the Americas was reduced by 93%.
additionally, eurocentric world views tend to see nomadic people as less than. for the Apache, Blackfoot, Comanche, Crow, Lakota, Nez Perce, Ojibwe, Sioux, and i’m sure many others, that “empty” land didn’t look empty at all, even with their numbers reduced
Yes, I was also thinking of that. Very common for colonizers to arrive in seasonally-used lands and think they were empty until the natives showed up.
It is factually incorrect that it was all disease. America actively committed a violent genocide and murdered millions.
the time period @FlyingCircus@lemmy.world is referencing predates America existingt as an idependent entity by about 2 centuries. the original rape of Turtle Island was a collaborative effort between the Spanish, French, Dutch, and English primarily. groups from Germany, Denmark, Scotland (which wasn’t yet unified with England), and Polish-Lithuania were also involved
Oh I did not mean to imply that colonizers didn’t actively murder as well, but manifest destiny was a couple of centuries after the period that I’m talking about.
I assumed most people use the term ironically, as “settlers” immediately brings them and their routine violence to mind. We know they’re not actually settling. That’s the joke.
It’s a really bad joke, but I get it
Poe’s Law
Zionazism.
L‘ Espresso just gave the term „Israeli Settler“ an associated image the Israeli regime decidedly dislikes.
I think that’s perfect TBH. Let them use euphemisms (like collateral damage, alternative facts) as much as they want.
Use it too and then rip away the mask with a photo like this.
This.
Why didn’t you link to the article? I really don’t get this picture of a Tweet thing Lemmy loves so much.
Sir, this is a memes community.
Here’s the original article: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-envoy-italy-calls-magazine-antisemitic-over-settler-violence-coverage
Ok? So post memes, then. Tweets are not memes, unless they become insanely popular.
We have found THE MEME DECIDER
p.s. you should look up what ‘meme’ means some day
That’s not a tweet bro.
Whew lad, literal nazi behavior
if only people cared as much about the actual genocide going on
Oh my god, I am not disagreeing with the fact that genocide is bad and Israel is doing it. Tarring all Jews with the brush of Zionism is something both zionists and nazis do. Surely you understand the statement, not all Jews are Zionist? And just how much of your ass is showing with an extremely racist, racialized meme?
stop conflating jews with Israel
it’s more like saying not all American’s are Nazis
or not all cops are bastards
obviously all these statements are true, it’s just no one rational is going to give a shit
and caring more about the image being painted than the literal children being maimed is lol
People criticizing zionists are not criticizing jews. Jews are a religious group. Zionists are an extremist group who happen to be Jewish.
This is like saying that not all Muslims are Al Qaeda. Of course they arent.
Israel does not represent Jewish people.
Israel does not speak for the Jewish people.
Israel does not reflect thoughts of the Jewish people.It’s a colony bringing “Judeo-Christian civilization” in their manifest destiny east.
It reflects thoughts and intentions of US politicians at best.
Ummmmmmm no ty
Has anyone noticed how, whenever you see a picture of an Israeli settler, they all look like bad guys from Mad Max?
They are
That is a really good photo. And it was cropped perfectly for the cover.
I’d say hand it the Pulitzer, but there has been an absolute glut of award-level material so far this year.
you’re absolutely right, settler is the word the colonists want you to use
I just checked the previous awards, it is virtually only US newspapers.
yeah the award is specifically for american journalism. it was established to callenge the hegemony established by the robber barons who in the late 1800s were buying up all the legacy newspapers, undermining independent journalism
imagine if like… jeff bezos bought the washington post. that’s basically what was going on. and because the robber barons weilded so much political power, the award required one of those robber barons setting up the award in his will. because he certainly wasn’t gonna cede that power in life.
the only valuable journalistic outlets from that time were local newspapers run kind of secret, and Mother Jones which was at the time covering how the industrial boom in the urban north was coming at the cost of coal miners’ blood
he probably can bite that phone in half with thos gnashers.
You will never convince me that Israel is not literally just trying to follow every antisemitic stereotype on purpose.
IDF soldier 1: “Hey, guys, you know what would be funny. Ha, what if we drank the blood of our victims babies? Ya, know, because that was an antisemitic lie the Nazis told about Jews. But, ya know, we do it ironically.”
IDF soldier 2: “You mean like pretend we are doing it? Like when we take pictures in our victims lingerie. Like, ironically though. You guys aren’t actually taking their lingerie back with you. Are you?”
IDF soldier 1: “…”
IDF soldier 2: “…”
IDF soldier 3: “So, when are we drinking baby blood?”
In the 1948 Nakba the IDF poisoned wells in Palestine with typhoid, then cried antisemitism when they were accused of poisoning wells, due to the age old antisemitic trope. They literally did the thing that Jews throughout the ages have been falsely accused of and often died for, so that they could block any investigation. Words fail to describe the cynicality of that evil.
they are, netanyahu uses anti-semetism to justify that they need continued aid from the west, and to expand in the MIDDLE east.
Its not completely a stereotype. Early judaism was temple animal sacrifice based. Going back a bit further, its a historical fact that they did kill children for a fertility ritual. Its true that they dont do it lately but they used to.
https://www.eisenbrauns.org/books/titles/978-1-57506-494-9.html
It’s entirely a stereotype, popularized by European autocratic régimes as a way to channel popular resentment away from nobility and royalty.
At the time when ancient Israelites were sacrificing animals, the practice is the norm all around the Levant, the Fertile Crescent and the Mediterranean, so nothing special. If you want to “go back a bit further” you’re not talking about Judaism anymore but about earlier Canaanite and Mesopotamian religions.
If it was entirely a stereotype, then why is it factually true enough that rabbis are writing about it as a way to reconcile ancient texts with modern understanding of the religious concepts, and not framing it as a hostile stereotype?
The whole basis of the religion is ancient texts of exactly that era you are now playing down here, is it not?
Dude. That is literally true of all societies and religions at some time or another.
What is this? This is like “it was promised 3000 years ago” levels of irrelevant. It literally doesn’t have anything to do with the real blood libel shit Nazis were doing.
I really hope this is just “technically Andy” brain you got going on.
This is like “it was promised 3000 years ago” levels of irrelevant.
If we go by time for relevance isnt everything in Jewish and Christian holy books irrelevant too then? When does Jewish history start again, can you remind me?
And you bring up nazis if I mention historical facts you dont want to talk about? I’m not a nazi. I beleive in universal human rights and dignity. Thats what so many of my comments are so very anti-israel. They are the ones whose actions are so like nazi actions, and you are the one helping them by throwing around accusations whenever you don’t like historical facts. I think the nazi here is much more you than me, but hey, you do you, Herr friendo.
Didnt Isaac, the second of the 3 patriarchs of judaism, try to sacrifice his son at gods command only to be stopped at the last possible second by an angel, who gave instruction to Isaac to sacrifice a ram instead?
The takeaway for jewish people in that story is that they should no longer sacrifice their children, but animals instead. So um why was that story ever even needed if it was completely irrelevant to judiasm?But everyone loses their mind when we talk about the history of sacrifice in Judaism at all, it seems. Its an unfortunate fact of history that it was done, and you cant revise your way out of that fact. Little bit late to control and whitewash that narrative, that ship has sailed whether you like it or not. Judaism evolved over time and is not what it once was, thats a fact. You can google “when was human sacrifice outlawed in Judaism” and you will see it was a reform of judaism, not a founding idea. Fact.
I suppose you could try to burn a bunch of books to try to get rid of those historical facts? I think people like yourself burning books would be right on brand, right? You’ll need to burn down google too I guess.
You seem to have replaced the Jewish supremacy of an ethnostate like Israel with an unhealthy and unhelpful hyperfixation that seems to accept everything that Israel says about Jewish people but just reaches a different conclusion.
It’s like if Israel said “yes Jews are actually magic money people, but it’s good”. You would just say “Yes, they are actually magic money people. But, it’s bad”.
You’re also acting like the fundamentalist views of a religion represent all people of that religion.
What is even helpful in what you’re saying? Your rambling about stories that are literally a part of Jewish, Christian, and Muslim beliefs.
Its good you moved on from replying to facts, you werent doing very well there were you.
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Okay, first off, that lie was from the czars not the nazis. The nazis just repeated it. Slandering the forebears of the real jews (weak diaspora jews are obviously all fake) is so fucking antisemitic. How dare you. How FUCKING DARE YOU.
Edit: also, the jewish people have a sacred right to drink the blood of your children and saying otherwise is antisemitic.
I think the sarcasm is being missed, but this is the internet and there’s no /s, so who knows…
Not being in the process of active genocide is antisemitic.
Pfff, what are, stupid?
It can be genocide and still be antisemitic. It has to be actively furthering Israel’s geopolitical ambitions to be kosher. Go zion go, amirite!
/s, because there be nutjobs that think that
Wait you dont mean it for real!?
Why bro look like a McPoyle
That’s what happens when you mess with McPoyles! You get fork-stabbed!
I want to punch this guy
brother/mother sister, cousin wife.
The pigtails too…
They’re not pigtails, they’re called “peyot”. Orthodox Jewish men grow theirs out because it’s part of the traditional dress code. In other parts of the world, they’re tucked under the yarmulke. But in occupied Palestine, it’s been in vogue to leave them hanging down.
Fuck Israel generally, but don’t be ignorant.
Edit: Holy fuck, guys, chill out a little bit. There’s criticizing a genocidal apartheid state, and then there’s just plain being racist. There’s a really thick line there, and y’all crossed it a loooong while ago.
they’ve been called “pigtails” by outright antisemites since the late 1800s as a comentary on the curly textured hair of ashkenazi jews. just in case anyone’s curious where that term originates. i don’t assume that’s how most people in this modern time use the term, so i didn’t downvote since the other poster might have jost been thinking of the modern common girl’s hairstyle. but it still hit me REAL wrong
I didn’t know what they were called. Without knowing the name I can’t think of any other word to describe them. I probably would have called them the same and I didn’t know that’s where the term came from. Now I do!
like i said. i don’t presume most who say it say it out of hate or know that there’s a painful history associated with the term so i let it go. but since someone provided the proper term i figured i’d mention it
don’t be ignorant.
in occupied Palestine, it’s been in vogue to leave them hanging down
and
they’ve been called “pigtails” by outright antisemites
I dont take any of israel’s definition of the world seriously, that includes their “in vogue” hairstyles while committing war crimes. They lost me when they defined anything they dont like as “antisemitism”. They lost enough of my respect that I dont agree to defining anything on their terms anymore. Not words, not actions, not anything having to do with their ideas. They live in my world now, exclusively. I dont care what you and they call their hair style, or who you link to “antisemitism”. So those are ponytails. If you want to kowtow to their definitions thats on you and not my problem.
So “dont be ignorant” right back at both of you supremacist apologists. You can jam your implicit demand that I understand and honor these war criminals concepts directly up your rear. They deserve zero respect and explicit rejection in any avenue of civilized society, including their personal preferences around language.
They are murdering people and you are worried that I get their ponytail names right. You two are both nuts.
ponytail i take absolutely zero issue with. like i said, the issue i took with your comment was personal to me to the extent i wouldn’t have said anything unless someone mentioned they’re not called pigtails.
i take a great deal more offense to what israel does as a human than to what you said as i said in a comment further down about how zionism is just one expression amongst many of jewish identity, and that it has failed multiple times before.
i do not criticize those who criticize israel for criticizing israel. to criticize israel and israelis is right and good. they are on the wrong side of history and they will be remembered as poorly as any other authoritarian regime ever has.
especially in a socialist space we have to acknowledge the harm israel performs at large globally in order to enable their genocide. their digital panopticon was funded by bosses and bankers who wanted to spy on their employees at work to boost productivity. the same technology that tells your boss when you haven’t moved your mouse in 15 minutes is the same technology the IOF uses to monitor and disrupt popular front actions.
Way to have zero reading comprehension what so ever.
This is like making fun of trump for his weight. There are much better things to point out that wont harm innocent people that you may know and love. You are being ignorant and hateful. Focus your hate to the important shit or go take a nap.
I am being hateful yes. I hate genociders and supremacists and theres nothing wrong with that. Its good to not be at all tolerant of those things or those people. They do not deserve my tolerance. Its a free service that sane, thinking people provide in society. You are welcome.
You should be conscious of rule 7 off to the right, do you see that no zionism and no genocide support rules there? Maybe you got lost looking for the zionism and fascism threads?
I didnt say dont be hateful [removed unnecessary insult]. I said stop being hateful about the wrong shit and focus your hate onto what matters. Holy.shit.
I reject your finely minced framing and choose to blanket hate the whole massively evil country, thanks.
I feel like pedantic parsing like yours dishonestly runs defense against those on the left attacking the core of the problem: which is the constitution/basic laws/existsnce of Israel as a state. Arguments like: “Sure 82% of Israelis want to forcefully deport every arab from all land they control, but some tiny percentage of them (way under 18%) dont support that so how can you be against the whole country???”
You place yourself bodily between people seeking justice for all humanity vs Israel, and use the tiny proportion of Israeli leftists as unwilling hostages against global calls for Israeli accountability for genocide and overwhelming support for ethnic cleansing and a continuation of 80 years of murderous abuse and state sponsored theft. I say the israeli government cant continue and cant/wont change, so it has to end, and that region be put under some adult leadership.
You don’t believe that do you. By the nature of all your previous publicly available comments, you think Israel must exist for the Jewish people, by the Jewish people. So I think your opinion is crap, and your framing in this instance is contrived, dishonest and manipulative.
Lmfao you dont know me or my opinion of israel. Go fuck yourself and have a terrible day
Edit for the dunce: literally all of my “publicly available comments” about israel are staunchly anti israel. And that im jewish. You ae either a bad bot or a REALLY stupid person.
Can we be racist against fascists?
I think yes.
Thank you for the context, though, for when Lemmy encounters non-Zionist Jews with these hairstyles.
No because then you’re not attacking the fascism. You’re attacking their ethnicity and by extension everybody of that ethnicity, fascist or not.
- Look at that Jewish fascist. Fuck him and all his fascist friends.
- Look at that Jewish fascist. Fuck him and all his Jewish friends.
See the difference?
Yeah. I remember episode of Chappo Trap House where they were making fun of Itamar Ben Gvir’s name, and I just turned it off and unsubbed. Like, as an antifascist Jew, who grew up in these spaces, yeah there were always Jewish fascists and zionists, but like Peyot and names like that are just normal. Just like, wtf, you guys are just showing their whole ass.
Your example extends to beyond the fascist though.
I’m particularly interested in not giving respect to fascists themselves unlike the way I would afford respect to people of groups those fascists would otherwise belong to.
I still stand by my belief that bigotry (and other strategies) towards fascists and the intolerant is OK so long as that bigotry starts and stops with those people. Bigotry towards non-fascists and the tolerant is NOT OK.
Using racism or sexism or ageism is appropriate in these ways. In no way am I extending those beliefs towards others. That’s strawmanning.
You can’t “use racism or sexism or ageism” against some subset of people without harming the others, it always extends beyond the person you’re targeting because you are targeting their race/sex/age not them or their fascist actions
I call them “the handles to use when turning his face into a puddle with fragments of teeth”
