Yeah. I remember episode of Chappo Trap House where they were making fun of Itamar Ben Gvir’s name, and I just turned it off and unsubbed. Like, as an antifascist Jew, who grew up in these spaces, yeah there were always Jewish fascists and zionists, but like Peyot and names like that are just normal. Just like, wtf, you guys are just showing their whole ass.
Your example extends to beyond the fascist though.
I’m particularly interested in not giving respect to fascists themselves unlike the way I would afford respect to people of groups those fascists would otherwise belong to.
I still stand by my belief that bigotry (and other strategies) towards fascists and the intolerant is OK so long as that bigotry starts and stops with those people. Bigotry towards non-fascists and the tolerant is NOT OK.
Using racism or sexism or ageism is appropriate in these ways. In no way am I extending those beliefs towards others. That’s strawmanning.
You can’t “use racism or sexism or ageism” against some subset of people without harming the others, it always extends beyond the person you’re targeting because you are targeting their race/sex/age not them or their fascist actions
No because then you’re not attacking the fascism. You’re attacking their ethnicity and by extension everybody of that ethnicity, fascist or not.
See the difference?
Yeah. I remember episode of Chappo Trap House where they were making fun of Itamar Ben Gvir’s name, and I just turned it off and unsubbed. Like, as an antifascist Jew, who grew up in these spaces, yeah there were always Jewish fascists and zionists, but like Peyot and names like that are just normal. Just like, wtf, you guys are just showing their whole ass.
Your example extends to beyond the fascist though.
I’m particularly interested in not giving respect to fascists themselves unlike the way I would afford respect to people of groups those fascists would otherwise belong to.
I still stand by my belief that bigotry (and other strategies) towards fascists and the intolerant is OK so long as that bigotry starts and stops with those people. Bigotry towards non-fascists and the tolerant is NOT OK.
Using racism or sexism or ageism is appropriate in these ways. In no way am I extending those beliefs towards others. That’s strawmanning.
You can’t “use racism or sexism or ageism” against some subset of people without harming the others, it always extends beyond the person you’re targeting because you are targeting their race/sex/age not them or their fascist actions