• wheezy@lemmy.ml
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    You will never convince me that Israel is not literally just trying to follow every antisemitic stereotype on purpose.

    IDF soldier 1: “Hey, guys, you know what would be funny. Ha, what if we drank the blood of our victims babies? Ya, know, because that was an antisemitic lie the Nazis told about Jews. But, ya know, we do it ironically.”

    IDF soldier 2: “You mean like pretend we are doing it? Like when we take pictures in our victims lingerie. Like, ironically though. You guys aren’t actually taking their lingerie back with you. Are you?”

    IDF soldier 1: “…”

    IDF soldier 2: “…”

    IDF soldier 3: “So, when are we drinking baby blood?”

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      In the 1948 Nakba the IDF poisoned wells in Palestine with typhoid, then cried antisemitism when they were accused of poisoning wells, due to the age old antisemitic trope. They literally did the thing that Jews throughout the ages have been falsely accused of and often died for, so that they could block any investigation. Words fail to describe the cynicality of that evil.

      Wikipedia: Operation Cast thy Bread

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      they are, netanyahu uses anti-semetism to justify that they need continued aid from the west, and to expand in the MIDDLE east.

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      Its not completely a stereotype. Early judaism was temple animal sacrifice based. Going back a bit further, its a historical fact that they did kill children for a fertility ritual. Its true that they dont do it lately but they used to.

      https://cincyjewfolk.com/2025/04/25/ask-the-rabbi-why-all-the-animal-sacrifice-in-the-torah-and-what-do-we-do-with-it-today/

      https://www.jewishorangecounty.org/community-calendar/csp-to-pass-through-the-fire-human-sacrifice-in-the-history-of-judaism-1694668249/

      https://www.eisenbrauns.org/books/titles/978-1-57506-494-9.html

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        It’s entirely a stereotype, popularized by European autocratic régimes as a way to channel popular resentment away from nobility and royalty.

        At the time when ancient Israelites were sacrificing animals, the practice is the norm all around the Levant, the Fertile Crescent and the Mediterranean, so nothing special. If you want to “go back a bit further” you’re not talking about Judaism anymore but about earlier Canaanite and Mesopotamian religions.

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          If it was entirely a stereotype, then why is it factually true enough that rabbis are writing about it as a way to reconcile ancient texts with modern understanding of the religious concepts, and not framing it as a hostile stereotype?

          The whole basis of the religion is ancient texts of exactly that era you are now playing down here, is it not?

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        Dude. That is literally true of all societies and religions at some time or another.

        What is this? This is like “it was promised 3000 years ago” levels of irrelevant. It literally doesn’t have anything to do with the real blood libel shit Nazis were doing.

        I really hope this is just “technically Andy” brain you got going on.

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          This is like “it was promised 3000 years ago” levels of irrelevant.

          If we go by time for relevance isnt everything in Jewish and Christian holy books irrelevant too then? When does Jewish history start again, can you remind me?

          And you bring up nazis if I mention historical facts you dont want to talk about? I’m not a nazi. I beleive in universal human rights and dignity. Thats what so many of my comments are so very anti-israel. They are the ones whose actions are so like nazi actions, and you are the one helping them by throwing around accusations whenever you don’t like historical facts. I think the nazi here is much more you than me, but hey, you do you, Herr friendo.

          Didnt Isaac, the second of the 3 patriarchs of judaism, try to sacrifice his son at gods command only to be stopped at the last possible second by an angel, who gave instruction to Isaac to sacrifice a ram instead?
          The takeaway for jewish people in that story is that they should no longer sacrifice their children, but animals instead. So um why was that story ever even needed if it was completely irrelevant to judiasm?

          But everyone loses their mind when we talk about the history of sacrifice in Judaism at all, it seems. Its an unfortunate fact of history that it was done, and you cant revise your way out of that fact. Little bit late to control and whitewash that narrative, that ship has sailed whether you like it or not. Judaism evolved over time and is not what it once was, thats a fact. You can google “when was human sacrifice outlawed in Judaism” and you will see it was a reform of judaism, not a founding idea. Fact.

          I suppose you could try to burn a bunch of books to try to get rid of those historical facts? I think people like yourself burning books would be right on brand, right? You’ll need to burn down google too I guess.

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            You seem to have replaced the Jewish supremacy of an ethnostate like Israel with an unhealthy and unhelpful hyperfixation that seems to accept everything that Israel says about Jewish people but just reaches a different conclusion.

            It’s like if Israel said “yes Jews are actually magic money people, but it’s good”. You would just say “Yes, they are actually magic money people. But, it’s bad”.

            You’re also acting like the fundamentalist views of a religion represent all people of that religion.

            What is even helpful in what you’re saying? Your rambling about stories that are literally a part of Jewish, Christian, and Muslim beliefs.

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              You – not me-- started by denying the factual history of sacrifice and then just temper tantrummed. Isnt that why we are replying to each other in the first place? If you want to object to facts, next time bring facts to prove them wrong.

              Or be quiet. History does not depend on your acceptance or rejection of it.

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                What point are you trying to make? You’re rambling again.

                Is your point still that Jewish holy books have human sacrifice in them? The books that are a part of literally every Abrahamic religion? That’s it?

                Like, your inability to bring relevance to that point doesn’t mean I’m “denying” the content of religion books.

                Your rambling about shit because you’ve convinced yourself I’m “denying” something that im not. I’m saying it’s not relevant.

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      Okay, first off, that lie was from the czars not the nazis. The nazis just repeated it. Slandering the forebears of the real jews (weak diaspora jews are obviously all fake) is so fucking antisemitic. How dare you. How FUCKING DARE YOU.

      Edit: also, the jewish people have a sacred right to drink the blood of your children and saying otherwise is antisemitic.