I mean I get the point but it’s kinda pointless to quibble about numbers when the regime itself acknowledges they killed thousands. The meme implies this is made up but that’s not so.
The Iranian people deserve help but I don’t know what could actually help them. Not what Trump is doing certainly.
Ending the decades of trade sanctions might be a good step forward. Sanctions punish the poorest, the wealthy and powerful in any nation subject to sanctions miraculously find a way to maintain their lifestyles.
Oppressively authoritarian nations stay like that even without sanctions. Just look at places like Turkmenistan. It’s has similar levels of oppression to North Korea and isn’t on a sanction list. Or hell, just Saudi Arabia. The sanctions aren’t the issue, the shitty dictators are and the only solution is to stop funding their regimes… but the oil is too good
The meme does not imply there weren’t thousands of deaths lol.
The reality is, Westerners would never care about a few thousand dead Iranians. They hate brown people way too much. You tell them 36k were slaughtered and suddenly the idea of invading isn’t as questionable.
If this were “quibbling about numbers” then the US wouldn’t have to make up shit like this. The actual point of the meme went over your head fella…
I sat in a room in the UK this week, with 19 other people, with love and tears and anger about what is happening in Iran.
One person in this group is Iranian and another is from Turkey, so also impacted and scared.
I strongly reject the idea that westerners hate brown people as strongly as when I reject the people who claim racism isn’t a thing in the UK.
Hyperbole serves no one when it obscures Truth.
Westerners definitely hate brown people. This is literally backed by science. What the fuck are you talking about?
No it isn’t. You might be able to interpret a study that way, if you choose to.
Actual science doesn’t work that way, it works to exclude choice and bias.
It’s very easy to find westerners who don’t hate brown people and disprove the idea. There’s literally thousands of them in every town in my country. The racists are a real problem, they’re not even a majority and they’re causing real issues.
Yeah, as a research psychologist, I always cringe so hard hearing things like this. There isn’t something special about how white people from regions we lable as “the west” express bigotry. Literally, ever human is capable of creating ingroup outgroup differentiations as illustrated from social identity theory and those can be strongly or weakly oriented towars dominance (i.e. social dominance orientation). I’ve never seen meta analytic evidence showing any subset of the human population to be significantly more prone to social dominance. The thing that makes it so brown people are viewed negatively by “westerners” is the long history of racism pushed by the ruling class to justify atrocities for profit.
Don’t be campist people, work in solidarity with each other and support your fellow man.
There isn’t something special about how white people from regions we lable as “the west” express bigotry.
Whoah what the fuck? Nobody implied otherwise lol. What kind of psychologist cant even read properly? You look crazy mate 🤣
Please then provide a theoretical model backed by meta analytic evidence to show that this group somehow has a fundamentally different cognitive process for interacting with other groups then, I’ll wait
It does imply that whether you intended it to or not.
If westerners hate brown people so much then why does the death total matter at all? Your statement is contradictory.
If I missed the point maybe you can explain it more clearly.
Iranians are about as brown as Americans, btw.
Muslim = brown for westerners. You gotta speak their language or they don’t get it.
I just love the implied racism here where America is capable of running intelligence disinformation campaigns while dirty Iranians could never be so clever. That’s why every statistic that comes out of western media sources can’t be trusted, but everything else can.
Beyond that obvious confirmation bias, there is almost no difference in how populations react to news of a few thousand deaths and thirty thousand deaths. Humans just don’t process big numbers that well on an emotional level. Intelligence organizations know that. Thirty deaths can easily have more of an impact because we can imagine it being 30 people we know.
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Bottom image: great example of a non sequitur
We know that Israel and USA is bombing civilians in Iran.
We know that Iranian far right religious authoritarian regime killed many people.
Why some right wings weirdos are trying to say, that you cannot admit both facts?
USA and any other imperialism must be stoped. Iranian authoritarian regime have to be overthrown.
We know that Iranian far right religious authoritarian regime killed many people.
Yeah but five figure estimates are basically all propaganda. Not like four-digit numbers of dead protesters are acceptable of course, but calling the 36k figure CIA propaganda is about right.
Yeah but
It sounds like “I’m not racist but…”
There is no but. We know that so many people were killed. We know that it was right wing authoritarian time that was part of Russian imperialistic dreams.
I know people from Iran who hated the regime. Radical religion police are attacking woman for not wearing hijabs. Nowadays thousands were killed by the regime.
a moment from the 2023 wave of protests still sits with me. a woman being dragged away by the morality in a city center screaming “REMEMBER ME” as loud as she could as a crowd watched in silence. it haunts me
There is no but.
Except as I said there literally is a but. You’re the one creating a false dichotomy here.
It doesn’t matter if far right wing authoritarian Iranian regime killed tens of thousands or thousands of people. It is a crime, it should never happened, and if did, people in power should be punished for that.
Israel attack and bombing schools is another crime, but one crime does not makes the other one less important.
And where did I imply that I disagreed with this?
Its 2026 and if you still even a shred of trust in anything related to the US government then my dick is magical and you need to come service it to receive a wish.
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Some good reading about the National Endowment for Democracy aka NED https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy
A government-organized non-governmental organization
The US continues to be the land of oxymorons
Hear me out, Iran bad, America worse
one of my favorite slogans from 2003; ‘regime change begins at home’
Look at the antisemite over here…
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Do i really need a /s? Maybe if I put it here in the spoiler it will still troll a few. 🤷
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I think putting it in the spoiler was the best play lol, didn’t know for sure when I saw the reply in my inbox until I opened it lol
But seriously, how do MAGAts take Trump seriously when he says he’s stopping wars while actively, openly, and proudly fueling one in the middle east???
We’re gonna assist in the proud struggle of those [NED_slop] dead protesters by bombing a school! That will show em
It’s also kinda irrelevant. Killing a bunch of army guys and 170 schoolgirls is not going to help the protesters.
Killing the Ayatollah, that was probably justice, considering the number of women oppressed, tortured, raped and killed under his watch. But destroying the machinery of civil society in Iran is just asking for a failed state, and potentially a new IS, or a warlord-ridden slave market territory like Libya.
I mean, look at US treatment of protesters and ask yourself if the government doing that shit has a moral leg to stand on even if the 36k number is true.
The murder at home…
First time poster on lemmy.zip makes a thread that attracts lemmy.ml posters like flies on a corpse.
Lol
Oh, well then I’m sure no one died at all then and this isn’t just splitting hairs. Right?
