I guess that’s just life when you’re a hypocrite.

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    Yikes these comments, if you’re on leftymemes defending obama, you’re either lost or trying to impressyour handler. This guy turned a sovereign state that was among the more productive in the region into an open air slave trade state. And no there was virtually no pushback on him unless you wanna count the tea party demonstrations.

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    When it comes to the general public I remember a lot of people being pissed off at Obama for the exact same shit. I was also in highschool when he was president so I don’t really remember how I felt about it (it was almost half my lifetime ago) but I do remember it being unpopular. I probably had a pretty shitty opinion about it because it was like 15 years ago and I’m pretty sure everyone my age had shitty opinions. I often catch myself thinking about what it was like when Obama was president and I’m like “dude, you were basically 12 when he first got elected. You don’t remember shit about what it was like.”

    If you are still defending it now I honestly don’t know what to say. Especially the politicians that weren’t basically children when this happened. Y’all were there and did nothing.

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      Yep, I even remember reading that people wanted the Nobel committee to rescind the prize after he launched the murder drone program.

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      When it comes to the general public I remember a lot of people being pissed off at Obama for the exact same shit.

      Sure, but liberals still love him to death. See: The vote ratio on this post. I was too young for politics then, but I seriously doubt he was getting criticized as harshly as Trump is being right now. I mean Jeffries had to announce that the Dems aen’t going to try to impeach Hesgeth (which they should absolutely do, don’t get me wrong). Even if it’s disapproval there’s clearly a big difference in the amount of disapproval, as evidenced by how people tend to react to “Obama is a war criminal” vs “Trump is a war criminal.”

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        Nah, I downvoted too. Liberals weren’t happy about it then either, and just because they’d rather have an Obama than a Trump doesnt mean they were OK with everything Obama did.

        Acting like a single issue (that people absolutely were upset about, and resulted in lawsuits, hearings, etc) suddenly means they should be OK with Trump doing it, or getting revisionist and pretending people were celebrating these strikes at the time because Obama did it, that’s kind of ridiculous to me.

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          Plus I think a very clear distinction is that Trump and his team are clearly enjoying it. I think it’s disgusting no matter what, but if I had to choose between two murders I’d prefer the one that doesn’t have fun doing it.

          And this whole blame game bullshit never gets us anywhere. Yeah, sure, Obama did awful things. But what I wanna know is why we are still doing awful things? We could just, you know, not bomb random fucking people all over the world. People are dead and we’re just arguing about who killed more people while more people continue to die. It’s just so… Unhelpful.

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            The main target of this meme isn’t Obama , but rather liberal hypocrisy. Double tapping is just the latest example of it, but while Obama is mostly a non-issue (though he still has influence within liberal circles and should be remembered for the monster he is) this double standard is still relevant because attacking the right for doing awful shit is one way liberals gain political capital to use for their own awful shit.

            Besides, this is a post on c/leftymemes, not a dissertation, so I’m not sure why it should be “helpful.”

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              Anybody from any political standing could say the exact same thing that you just said but compare any other president within the last 100 years about any other topic and their point would still make sense. It’s unhelpful because it doesn’t further the conversation. All it does is point fingers and pit people against each other which is exactly what this comment section has turned into. And whether it was done intentionally or unintentionally, it’s basically ragebait. Now we are all arguing in the comments about things in the past that we can’t change and what peoples opinions were 15 years ago and why that has anything to do with people that are dying today.

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                All it does is point fingers and pit people against each other

                leftists are against liberals to start with, this post didn’t do anything to alter that. why are you complaining leftists are against a right-wing party in the first place?

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                  I just find it silly to talk about rising up, bringing everyone together, defending the weak, and removing those in power while treating everyone that disagrees with you like garbage. At best with that attitude you’d get a revolution of a hundred thousand people if you are lucky because you pissed everyone else off. I’ve never met anyone that has changed their mind because someone insulted them. In fact it’s usually to opposite as it usually pushes them further away.

                  Pointing out hypocrisy is perfectly reasonable, but if you can’t even recognize your own hypocrisies in the process you’re just an asshole. And at this point I’m moreso talking about the comments under this post as I don’t find the post that innacurate, just misleading, which is what I was trying to point out. But everyone came out the gate ready to argue over the smallest details. I get it, there are definitely specific people that deserve all the criticism and hate that they get like those that flip flop when it benefits them. But it’s pretty ridiculous to hear about “unity” while also posting memes that generalize an entire group of people based on vibes and not actually talking to the individual. That’s, for the most part, how we ended up where we are today and it’s counterproductive.

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                Anybody from any political standing could say the exact same thing that you just said but compare any other president within the last 100 years about any other topic and their point would still make sense.

                Feel free to do so, then.

                It’s unhelpful because it doesn’t further the conversation.

                It does, because there’s a clear lesson to be learned from liberal flipflopping regarding the morality (or I suppose tolerability would be a better word) of whatever the evil thing du jour is: Just because liberals situationally agree with you, it doesn’t make them any less anti-worker. Leftists helping liberals beat a common enemy and then getting the boot after they stop being useful is a tale as old as time, so it’s important to remember what these people actually stand for. This is why so-called “unity” with liberals is such a ridiculous idea.

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            It’s just so… Unhelpful.

            This is my biggest complaint about posts like these. Not only wrong, but completely unhelpful.

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              And unproductive, pointlessly divisive, and creating a boogeyman out of potential allies

              Leftists shootings themselves in the foot. Practically an icon.

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                  That might be true for most other democracies where the winning parties can form a coalition and install a president from amongst them, but the US voting system is so broken with extreme gerrymandering and the electoral college etc, that there currently are only two options:

                  1. Support the lesser evil, nudge it left and in parallel work to unfuck things on state kevel.

                  2. Rebellion / civil war and vote the lesser evil as backup plan.

                  Because different from countries with the ability of coalitions on the highest level, the perfect lefty party can’t join with the moderate lefty party or liberals and show how good they are and grow. In the US the left parties will be sidelined as an indirect vote for the right wing, because the right wingers will vote in unity, and they will rig the system more every time to keep it like that.

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          Liberals did not give a fuck back then, what is this revisionist nonsense?

          I was in a book store last week and they had an Obama sticker on the cash register that said “miss me?”. They fucking loved this war criminal.

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            It really would not take long for you to look this up, there absolutely was a negative response. Drone strikes were one of the higher up complaints.

            Obama sticker on the cash register that said “miss me?”

            See the second paragraph.

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              “Drone strikes were one of the higher up complaints.”

              Fucking lmao. You would think such horrible acts of inhumanity would earn him a reputation as a murderer among the general public, yet he’s hailed as being “one of the good ones” and still gets his dick sucked by the media and liberals all over.

              If libs disliked all the murdering it was a pretty casual dislike that never amounted into any meaningful criticism or consequences for Obama.

              What a joke.

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                You would think such horrible acts of inhumanity would earn him a reputation as a murderer among the general public

                If the media portrayed things accurately, I would say many more would consider him a murderer (as they should).

                But pretending people didn’t react negatively is the same sort of lie as the media portrayals of the strikes at the time. I’m not going to agree with mid/disinformation of any form.

                yet he’s hailed as being “one of the good ones”

                I think the bigger part of that is if you compare him to the past 45 years of presidents, what do you have?

                • Reagan
                • Bush
                • Clinton
                • Bush Jr
                • Trump
                • Biden

                Calling him one of the better presidents of nearly a half of a century is not a stretch. Its just a painfully low bar.

                never amounted into any meaningful criticism or consequences for Obama.

                Refer back to the previous list. None of them had any meaningful consequences for the horrors they are responsible for.

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                  The notion isnt that he’s “one of the better ones” but that he was “one of the GOOD ones”. And while those presidents may not have faced any true consequences for their crimes, they are all largely controversial figures with some of them being absolutely despised. Not even remotely comparable to Obama’s reputation, and he arguably killed more innocent people than any of them.

                  Genuinely curious what you think Obama even did that makes him better than these other guys. Go ahead and explain yourself…

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        See: The vote ratio on this post.

        My downvote (not being a liberal) is mostly because you don’t seem to understand that quite a few actual liberal also criticize(d) Obama for the drone strikes.

        People can think two things are bad.

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          Again, there’s a clear difference in the amount and intensity of criticism being levied by the average liberal. How many people were calling for Obama to be tried for war crimes in 2013?

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    It’s sort of like when an actually bad AAA game gets labeled by right-wing chuds as being Woke Liberal Propaganda because theres a LGBTQ+ person in it or something stupid like that, so liberals feel to start treating this game as a unfairly slandered masterpiece with a deep message. In reality it’s bog-standard corporate slop that says nothing about anything out of fear of limiting its audience (and also barely runs) but unfortunately the people pointing this out the loudest are the chuds.

    And then when the game finally finishes being a flop or worse, the chuds sort it into the “Proof that Go Woke = Go Broke” portfolio and we all have to deal with that forever.

    Fucking tribalism, man.

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    Liberals pretending they give a fuck about ICE suddenly in 2025 will always be the funniest shit to me.

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      Why are you pretending that liberals have not been calling for humane immigration reform for the past 40 years?

      There are significantly more protests against ICE now because ICE is significantly worse. It’s basic math.

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        Oh boy, you do not wanna play the math game here…

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/19/obama-trump-deportation-numbers/84257245007/

        Obama had earned the critical reputation as “deporter in chief” and Trump’s first term lagged behind Obama in numbers.

        Throughout eight years in office, the Obama administration logged more than 3.1 million ICE deportations

        Across four years, the Trump administration recorded fewer than 932,000 deportations.

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          That only tells a small portion of the story. Here’s the full picture:

          Obama also created DACA to protect kids without legal immigration status.

          Trump has used ICE to arrest hundreds of US citizens, including government officials. Trump has expanded detention centers and instituted a brutally punitive system, including sending hundreds of people to El Salvador prison. Trump has expanded ICE to a larger force than most nations’ standing armies.

          Anyone who thinks that the immigration system is better now than a decade ago must have their fingers in their ears.

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            Obama: deports 3.1 million Mexicans

            You sleep

            Trump: deports a few REAL AMERICANS

            REAL SHIT

            lmao

            Trump may be expanding detention centers, but Obama had fucking GUANTANAMO BAY under his belt.

            Lastly, my point isnt that things are BETTER under Trump. You got so brainwashed into this team-sports nonsense, you can’t even see where my principles are coming from.

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              There were absolutely protests under Obama. Things were bad.

              There are bigger protests now under Trump. Things are worse.

              Like I said, the math is pretty simple.

              Please stop trying to rewrite history.

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                lmao “the protests are bigger now so that means it’s worse!”

                Excellent math skills dude!