When it comes to the general public I remember a lot of people being pissed off at Obama for the exact same shit.
Sure, but liberals still love him to death. See: The vote ratio on this post. I was too young for politics then, but I seriously doubt he was getting criticized as harshly as Trump is being right now. I mean Jeffries had to announce that the Dems aen’t going to try to impeach Hesgeth (which they should absolutely do, don’t get me wrong). Even if it’s disapproval there’s clearly a big difference in the amount of disapproval, as evidenced by how people tend to react to “Obama is a war criminal” vs “Trump is a war criminal.”
Nah, I downvoted too. Liberals weren’t happy about it then either, and just because they’d rather have an Obama than a Trump doesnt mean they were OK with everything Obama did.
Acting like a single issue (that people absolutely were upset about, and resulted in lawsuits, hearings, etc) suddenly means they should be OK with Trump doing it, or getting revisionist and pretending people were celebrating these strikes at the time because Obama did it, that’s kind of ridiculous to me.
Plus I think a very clear distinction is that Trump and his team are clearly enjoying it. I think it’s disgusting no matter what, but if I had to choose between two murders I’d prefer the one that doesn’t have fun doing it.
And this whole blame game bullshit never gets us anywhere. Yeah, sure, Obama did awful things. But what I wanna know is why we are still doing awful things? We could just, you know, not bomb random fucking people all over the world. People are dead and we’re just arguing about who killed more people while more people continue to die. It’s just so… Unhelpful.
The main target of this meme isn’t Obama , but rather liberal hypocrisy. Double tapping is just the latest example of it, but while Obama is mostly a non-issue (though he still has influence within liberal circles and should be remembered for the monster he is) this double standard is still relevant because attacking the right for doing awful shit is one way liberals gain political capital to use for their own awful shit.
Besides, this is a post on c/leftymemes, not a dissertation, so I’m not sure why it should be “helpful.”
Anybody from any political standing could say the exact same thing that you just said but compare any other president within the last 100 years about any other topic and their point would still make sense. It’s unhelpful because it doesn’t further the conversation. All it does is point fingers and pit people against each other which is exactly what this comment section has turned into. And whether it was done intentionally or unintentionally, it’s basically ragebait. Now we are all arguing in the comments about things in the past that we can’t change and what peoples opinions were 15 years ago and why that has anything to do with people that are dying today.
All it does is point fingers and pit people against each other
leftists are against liberals to start with, this post didn’t do anything to alter that. why are you complaining leftists are against a right-wing party in the first place?
I just find it silly to talk about rising up, bringing everyone together, defending the weak, and removing those in power while treating everyone that disagrees with you like garbage. At best with that attitude you’d get a revolution of a hundred thousand people if you are lucky because you pissed everyone else off. I’ve never met anyone that has changed their mind because someone insulted them. In fact it’s usually to opposite as it usually pushes them further away.
Pointing out hypocrisy is perfectly reasonable, but if you can’t even recognize your own hypocrisies in the process you’re just an asshole. And at this point I’m moreso talking about the comments under this post as I don’t find the post that innacurate, just misleading, which is what I was trying to point out. But everyone came out the gate ready to argue over the smallest details. I get it, there are definitely specific people that deserve all the criticism and hate that they get like those that flip flop when it benefits them. But it’s pretty ridiculous to hear about “unity” while also posting memes that generalize an entire group of people based on vibes and not actually talking to the individual. That’s, for the most part, how we ended up where we are today and it’s counterproductive.
liberalism is a right-wing ideology, it has no room for leftist ideals. that unity you speak of refers to leftist unity. it never included liberals, who are not our allies, never will be, and who will resist every single one of our efforts as much as they can until we force them with civil disobedience or violence.
At best with that attitude you’d get a revolution of a hundred thousand people if you are lucky because you pissed everyone else off.
who do you think it is leftists are going to be rebelling against? did you honestly think it was just going to be republicans, and not also the democrats who work hand-in-hand with them to enact fascist policies? if it ever comes down to an armed uprising, we’re also going to be sticking liberal politicians against the wall when things are done. there’s no uniting with the people working with actual fucking nazis to kill us. the only thing you do with nazi collaborators is shoot them.
I’m not disagreeing with you about what a liberal is. Liberal politicians are garbage and are just as bad as the rest of them and are paid off by zionists. What I’m more interested in is that you seem to be talking about the politicians while I’m talking about the general population. The every day people that aren’t leftists. It just seems counterproductive to make enemies of literally everyone else. When I say you’d only have about a hundred thousand people I meant against the the ideals of everyone else, not just the politcians and their disgusting behavior. Like, why are you picking a fight with me when I agree with the majority of what you are talking about?
Anybody from any political standing could say the exact same thing that you just said but compare any other president within the last 100 years about any other topic and their point would still make sense.
Feel free to do so, then.
It’s unhelpful because it doesn’t further the conversation.
It does, because there’s a clear lesson to be learned from liberal flipflopping regarding the morality (or I suppose tolerability would be a better word) of whatever the evil thing du jour is: Just because liberals situationally agree with you, it doesn’t make them any less anti-worker. Leftists helping liberals beat a common enemy and then getting the boot after they stop being useful is a tale as old as time, so it’s important to remember what these people actually stand for. This is why so-called “unity” with liberals is such a ridiculous idea.
That might be true for most other democracies where the winning parties can form a coalition and install a president from amongst them, but the US voting system is so broken with extreme gerrymandering and the electoral college etc, that there currently are only two options:
Support the lesser evil, nudge it left and in parallel work to unfuck things on state kevel.
Rebellion / civil war and vote the lesser evil as backup plan.
Because different from countries with the ability of coalitions on the highest level, the perfect lefty party can’t join with the moderate lefty party or liberals and show how good they are and grow. In the US the left parties will be sidelined as an indirect vote for the right wing, because the right wingers will vote in unity, and they will rig the system more every time to keep it like that.
“Drone strikes were one of the higher up complaints.”
Fucking lmao. You would think such horrible acts of inhumanity would earn him a reputation as a murderer among the general public, yet he’s hailed as being “one of the good ones” and still gets his dick sucked by the media and liberals all over.
If libs disliked all the murdering it was a pretty casual dislike that never amounted into any meaningful criticism or consequences for Obama.
You would think such horrible acts of inhumanity would earn him a reputation as a murderer among the general public
If the media portrayed things accurately, I would say many more would consider him a murderer (as they should).
But pretending people didn’t react negatively is the same sort of lie as the media portrayals of the strikes at the time. I’m not going to agree with mid/disinformation of any form.
yet he’s hailed as being “one of the good ones”
I think the bigger part of that is if you compare him to the past 45 years of presidents, what do you have?
Reagan
Bush
Clinton
Bush Jr
Trump
Biden
Calling him one of the better presidents of nearly a half of a century is not a stretch. Its just a painfully low bar.
never amounted into any meaningful criticism or consequences for Obama.
Refer back to the previous list. None of them had any meaningful consequences for the horrors they are responsible for.
The notion isnt that he’s “one of the better ones” but that he was “one of the GOOD ones”. And while those presidents may not have faced any true consequences for their crimes, they are all largely controversial figures with some of them being absolutely despised. Not even remotely comparable to Obama’s reputation, and he arguably killed more innocent people than any of them.
Genuinely curious what you think Obama even did that makes him better than these other guys. Go ahead and explain yourself…
I’d call the ACA a huge improvement. Still sucks, but far and above better than what was there before.
Repealed dont ask, dont tell.
Public endorsement of same sex marriage that had a clear impact on federal policies.
The creation of the CFPB.
Reopening embassies with Cuba and working to restore relations with Cuba.
Numerous clean energy initiatives.
DACA.
Now in my opinion none of these go far enough, but I’d be lying to not call them a positive step.
Do you want me to also list what I hate about the Obama admin? May as well. I’ll skip my criticisms of the above since ive already kind of noted that. As well as the drone strikes, which ive already commented on.
Ending the ban on oil/gas drilling
The priority enforcement program being launched and the expansion of state surveillance.
renewal of the patriot act (and expansion of state surveillance)
The handling of Iraq.
Authorization of CIA/Pentagon programs to intervene in other countries.
Abstention from UN resolutions on Israeli “settlers” (ugh). Technically his admin, but let’s be candid, thats a directive from above
Arms deals with Saudi Arabia (later pulled, but I have a problem with the attempt)
Thats off the top. Out of curiosity, do you think I have an overall positive or negative view of his presidency?
Recognizing gay marriage at home, while you obliterate and incinerate queer people across the world. The liberal special.
Your perspective isn’t negative enough for me. Obama is a war criminal and I will refrain from writing what I think should be done to him. You can use your imagination.
My downvote (not being a liberal) is mostly because you don’t seem to understand that quite a few actual liberal also criticize(d) Obama for the drone strikes.
Again, there’s a clear difference in the amount and intensity of criticism being levied by the average liberal. How many people were calling for Obama to be tried for war crimes in 2013?
Sure, but liberals still love him to death. See: The vote ratio on this post. I was too young for politics then, but I seriously doubt he was getting criticized as harshly as Trump is being right now. I mean Jeffries had to announce that the Dems aen’t going to try to impeach Hesgeth (which they should absolutely do, don’t get me wrong). Even if it’s disapproval there’s clearly a big difference in the amount of disapproval, as evidenced by how people tend to react to “Obama is a war criminal” vs “Trump is a war criminal.”
Nah, I downvoted too. Liberals weren’t happy about it then either, and just because they’d rather have an Obama than a Trump doesnt mean they were OK with everything Obama did.
Acting like a single issue (that people absolutely were upset about, and resulted in lawsuits, hearings, etc) suddenly means they should be OK with Trump doing it, or getting revisionist and pretending people were celebrating these strikes at the time because Obama did it, that’s kind of ridiculous to me.
Plus I think a very clear distinction is that Trump and his team are clearly enjoying it. I think it’s disgusting no matter what, but if I had to choose between two murders I’d prefer the one that doesn’t have fun doing it.
And this whole blame game bullshit never gets us anywhere. Yeah, sure, Obama did awful things. But what I wanna know is why we are still doing awful things? We could just, you know, not bomb random fucking people all over the world. People are dead and we’re just arguing about who killed more people while more people continue to die. It’s just so… Unhelpful.
The main target of this meme isn’t Obama , but rather liberal hypocrisy. Double tapping is just the latest example of it, but while Obama is mostly a non-issue (though he still has influence within liberal circles and should be remembered for the monster he is) this double standard is still relevant because attacking the right for doing awful shit is one way liberals gain political capital to use for their own awful shit.
Besides, this is a post on c/leftymemes, not a dissertation, so I’m not sure why it should be “helpful.”
Anybody from any political standing could say the exact same thing that you just said but compare any other president within the last 100 years about any other topic and their point would still make sense. It’s unhelpful because it doesn’t further the conversation. All it does is point fingers and pit people against each other which is exactly what this comment section has turned into. And whether it was done intentionally or unintentionally, it’s basically ragebait. Now we are all arguing in the comments about things in the past that we can’t change and what peoples opinions were 15 years ago and why that has anything to do with people that are dying today.
leftists are against liberals to start with, this post didn’t do anything to alter that. why are you complaining leftists are against a right-wing party in the first place?
I just find it silly to talk about rising up, bringing everyone together, defending the weak, and removing those in power while treating everyone that disagrees with you like garbage. At best with that attitude you’d get a revolution of a hundred thousand people if you are lucky because you pissed everyone else off. I’ve never met anyone that has changed their mind because someone insulted them. In fact it’s usually to opposite as it usually pushes them further away.
Pointing out hypocrisy is perfectly reasonable, but if you can’t even recognize your own hypocrisies in the process you’re just an asshole. And at this point I’m moreso talking about the comments under this post as I don’t find the post that innacurate, just misleading, which is what I was trying to point out. But everyone came out the gate ready to argue over the smallest details. I get it, there are definitely specific people that deserve all the criticism and hate that they get like those that flip flop when it benefits them. But it’s pretty ridiculous to hear about “unity” while also posting memes that generalize an entire group of people based on vibes and not actually talking to the individual. That’s, for the most part, how we ended up where we are today and it’s counterproductive.
liberalism is a right-wing ideology, it has no room for leftist ideals. that unity you speak of refers to leftist unity. it never included liberals, who are not our allies, never will be, and who will resist every single one of our efforts as much as they can until we force them with civil disobedience or violence.
who do you think it is leftists are going to be rebelling against? did you honestly think it was just going to be republicans, and not also the democrats who work hand-in-hand with them to enact fascist policies? if it ever comes down to an armed uprising, we’re also going to be sticking liberal politicians against the wall when things are done. there’s no uniting with the people working with actual fucking nazis to kill us. the only thing you do with nazi collaborators is shoot them.
I’m not disagreeing with you about what a liberal is. Liberal politicians are garbage and are just as bad as the rest of them and are paid off by zionists. What I’m more interested in is that you seem to be talking about the politicians while I’m talking about the general population. The every day people that aren’t leftists. It just seems counterproductive to make enemies of literally everyone else. When I say you’d only have about a hundred thousand people I meant against the the ideals of everyone else, not just the politcians and their disgusting behavior. Like, why are you picking a fight with me when I agree with the majority of what you are talking about?
Feel free to do so, then.
It does, because there’s a clear lesson to be learned from liberal flipflopping regarding the morality (or I suppose tolerability would be a better word) of whatever the evil thing du jour is: Just because liberals situationally agree with you, it doesn’t make them any less anti-worker. Leftists helping liberals beat a common enemy and then getting the boot after they stop being useful is a tale as old as time, so it’s important to remember what these people actually stand for. This is why so-called “unity” with liberals is such a ridiculous idea.
This is my biggest complaint about posts like these. Not only wrong, but completely unhelpful.
And unproductive, pointlessly divisive, and creating a boogeyman out of potential allies
Leftists shootings themselves in the foot. Practically an icon.
leftists should not be making allies out of right-wing parties.
That might be true for most other democracies where the winning parties can form a coalition and install a president from amongst them, but the US voting system is so broken with extreme gerrymandering and the electoral college etc, that there currently are only two options:
Support the lesser evil, nudge it left and in parallel work to unfuck things on state kevel.
Rebellion / civil war and vote the lesser evil as backup plan.
Because different from countries with the ability of coalitions on the highest level, the perfect lefty party can’t join with the moderate lefty party or liberals and show how good they are and grow. In the US the left parties will be sidelined as an indirect vote for the right wing, because the right wingers will vote in unity, and they will rig the system more every time to keep it like that.
I don’t consider war crime apologists potential allies. Woe is me.
Liberals did not give a fuck back then, what is this revisionist nonsense?
I was in a book store last week and they had an Obama sticker on the cash register that said “miss me?”. They fucking loved this war criminal.
It really would not take long for you to look this up, there absolutely was a negative response. Drone strikes were one of the higher up complaints.
See the second paragraph.
“Drone strikes were one of the higher up complaints.”
Fucking lmao. You would think such horrible acts of inhumanity would earn him a reputation as a murderer among the general public, yet he’s hailed as being “one of the good ones” and still gets his dick sucked by the media and liberals all over.
If libs disliked all the murdering it was a pretty casual dislike that never amounted into any meaningful criticism or consequences for Obama.
What a joke.
If the media portrayed things accurately, I would say many more would consider him a murderer (as they should).
But pretending people didn’t react negatively is the same sort of lie as the media portrayals of the strikes at the time. I’m not going to agree with mid/disinformation of any form.
I think the bigger part of that is if you compare him to the past 45 years of presidents, what do you have?
Calling him one of the better presidents of nearly a half of a century is not a stretch. Its just a painfully low bar.
Refer back to the previous list. None of them had any meaningful consequences for the horrors they are responsible for.
The notion isnt that he’s “one of the better ones” but that he was “one of the GOOD ones”. And while those presidents may not have faced any true consequences for their crimes, they are all largely controversial figures with some of them being absolutely despised. Not even remotely comparable to Obama’s reputation, and he arguably killed more innocent people than any of them.
Genuinely curious what you think Obama even did that makes him better than these other guys. Go ahead and explain yourself…
Now in my opinion none of these go far enough, but I’d be lying to not call them a positive step.
Do you want me to also list what I hate about the Obama admin? May as well. I’ll skip my criticisms of the above since ive already kind of noted that. As well as the drone strikes, which ive already commented on.
Thats off the top. Out of curiosity, do you think I have an overall positive or negative view of his presidency?
Recognizing gay marriage at home, while you obliterate and incinerate queer people across the world. The liberal special.
Your perspective isn’t negative enough for me. Obama is a war criminal and I will refrain from writing what I think should be done to him. You can use your imagination.
My downvote (not being a liberal) is mostly because you don’t seem to understand that quite a few actual liberal also criticize(d) Obama for the drone strikes.
People can think two things are bad.
Again, there’s a clear difference in the amount and intensity of criticism being levied by the average liberal. How many people were calling for Obama to be tried for war crimes in 2013?