It’s always the ‘common sense’ crowd that needs to reduce everything to the most basic and mostly binary understanding of the universe. Good vs evil, us vs them.
Anything that upsets that proverbial apple cart is evil because it’s not part of their existing world view.
replacing standard with gender gives me a little giggle, because this is obviously how gender works
There’s no genders, we are just atoms in a certain formation.
They are all in the head.
It’s good that gender being a social construct is slowly becoming accepted. It’s also good that people are starting to realize that sex is complicated and there are no simple rules to determine someone’s sex.
The one drawback to all this I can see is that it might be slightly undermining progress made in avoiding stereotyping interests and activities as being male activities/interests or female activities/interests. IMO, the progressive view in the 1970s was that boys could play with dolls, girls could play with cars. Boys could wear dresses, girls could play sports. Boys could put on makeup (and then perform on stage in bands made up of other boys with big hair and makeup), girls could like superhero comic books. It seems to me like with the modern acceptance that some people are transgender, we’re now slipping back into thinking that hobbies and interests are gender-coded.
It’s good that gender being a social construct is slowly becoming accepted. It’s also good that people are starting to realize that sex is complicated and there are no simple rules to determine someone’s sex.
I think the second half of your comment is true, but it is part of the push back against genders as social constructs. I wouldn’t agree that it’s becoming accepted. Most people either disagree or pay some lip service to the idea and then buy an all pink dress for their little girl because “it’s what she likes”
Y’all don’t learn about intersex in sex ed on the last years of middle school?
uh, 30ish years ago no. my education did not address intersex people until the bachelor’s level 4th year genetics class i somehow got into even though i didn’t have the prereqs.
“Basic biology” mfs when intermediate biology comes along
That’s a 90-ish minute video by evolutionary biologist Forrest Valkai goes over the science of sex and gender. The TL/DW version is that the quote here is exactly right. Sex is fuzzy and before you could even start to say something like that it’s binary you first need to establish which of the many sex markers you’re going to use and why you’re excluding the other ones, gender is a social construct which is not the same as sex, and any modern biology textbook above a high-school level will say exactly that. Not implicitly, but explicitly.
If it’s the kind of thing you’re interested in and you’ve got 90 minutes to spare you could do worse than listen to a scientist lay it out.
Forrest is great at explaining complex topics
Is he the new CGP Grey?
Again, 12 year old grown ups and their 12 year old views
Everybody knows a string has 0 mass and air resistance is negligible, it’s basic physics!
This same sentence could probably be said by someone working on string theory…
First assume the cow is spherical and traveling through a vacuum.
Just because something is obvious doesn’t mean it’s right.
It wasn’t until the 1900s that Principal Mathematica was written in order to derive fundamental axioms that can be used to derive all other mathematic principles.
This is the book that people often partially joke about it being the first exhaustive proof that 1+1=2.
I guess my point is also the compliment to your point. Even things that are right are not always obvious.
I think your point is actually “even things that are right and obvious are not always obviously right” or something like that. It’s obvious to all of us that 1+1=2, and it is correct, but it isn’t correct because it’s obvious. It just happens to be both obvious and correct, but for very different reasons.
Probably. Because I read what you said and agree. Maybe I said it badly.
Do you mean Principia Mathematica?
Yeah. Auto correct or dyslexia. I like to blame autocorrect.
Obviously.
There are plenty of well educated trans and homo phobes out there. Making it about education level sounds classist/elitist and alienating to the many well meaning intelligent people who didn’t have the opportunity to reach levels of higher education.
There are plenty of racist, misogynistic, and bigoted “educated” people.
You don’t need a university classroom to teach you about gender or sex or being a decent human being. All of this information is readily available to the public, in fact, if it takes a Masters or PhD to understand what is yes- in fact basic biology and gender theory, then you’re doing something wrong. And by basic I mean, human biological sex can also be complex and gender is a social construct. It’s an afternoon course not six plus fucking years of schooling.
Yes, oversimplification is weaponized but framing like this can come off as insulting and makes it sound more complex than it needs to be.
While I agree that we shouldn’t alienate people with elitism, I think k this is a fair criticism.
Basic biology has the connotation that it’s something everyone should know and grasp.
The reality is that basic biology is simplified, not factual. That should be pointed out. The educated or intelligent ones, should understand the distinction, even if they disagree. The uneducated can either switch off or be educated.
Allowing misinformation to proliferate is a bigger problem, in my view, than alienating people that don’t want to listen or learn.
It’s a recurring problem with humans that something makes them feel bad, and then they stop listening.
Someone who feels bad about how they didn’t go to college, and then stops listening to the contents, is a fool.
You are correct that there are many such people, and we should probably avoid triggering them, but it’s kind of frustrating we have to constantly walk on eggshells lest someone’s fragile ego cracks and a monster comes out.
Not only walking on eggshells, we are literally being forced to put our children in danger of infectious diseases that we got rid of a long fucking time ago
I mean you’re not wrong. It’d be great to live in a perfect world. This method has worked great for leftists and liberals alike in winning friends.
Perhaps because I’ve walked the line between workers rights and blue collar backgrounds I have a little more empathy for meeting people where they’re at then demanding they adhere to academic standard. I’ve never found arrogance, perceived or real, to be a very helpful tool in organizing or building community. Flies and honey and all that jazz.
Hail science!
I don’t want you to understand what relativity or supernova is, how to grow crops, how to make operation or how to fix a sink so don’t make me understand what is biology past middle school. Just saying, don’t want to hurt anybody but maybe it’s not people problem but education problem. Stop blaming people that they were educated certain way and they accepted truth presented by public education system, blame country that is educating people this way. You can’t change people but you can change future of your country.
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As a biologist, I can definitively state you’re talking out your ass.
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Really? Again? I already disproved that take of yours in another thread, and you’re still on about that bullshit even though your own source disproves your claim literally in its first sentence?
The citation you’re contradicting is from an actual real-life, respected biologist who wrote peer-reviewed scientific articles. Who are you? Where are you getting these facts from, since they’re nowhere to be found in your source? Are you really that deep in the Dunning-Kruger valley? or are you trying to hide some sort of message in ignorance too solid to be genuine?
Please, being mistaken isn’t a crime but at least try to learn
Edit because I can’t reply to a comment that was moderated out: Saying “again” when you’re spouting the same nonsense again is not a tactic, it’s just frustration. What is a tactic is cherry picking the parts of an article to present only one side of a debate, in order to refute another argument than the one put to you.
I didn’t speak about the offensiveness or not of the term DSD here. I can at most think I would be or not, but I’m not qualified to know whether I would be offended. What I am talking about is reading, which I am qualified to do. There are three definitions of biological sex mentioned in the very first sentence of the article, none of which refer to gamete size which is a fourth one. I could also add the part where not all the DSD listed can be said to be male or female, and the ones who can actually use the chromosomal definition.
But I guess consistency is only for true believers, actual truth seekers like you neglect all that and keep repeating bad approximations as if they were facts because it feels good when the world is simple.
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What sex would you characterize a person who has developed both male and female sex organs if there aren’t really intersex people?
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Google ovotestis
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Who hurt you
Asking the real question
