Sept. 30 (UPI) – Elon Musk is under fire after publicly backing a far-right political party in Germany, suggesting the current government should not be re-elected over its position on the current migrant crisis in Europe.

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    Dude just admit his a nazi? Or the far right in Germany is not what I think it is. Not familiar with the party structure there.

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      In 2022, it was ruled that the BfV may classify and monitor the entire party as a suspected right-wing extremist group. A corresponding lawsuit by the AfD was dismissed because “there were sufficient factual indications of anti-constitutional efforts within the AfD”.[36] On 26 April 2023, the BfV, after four years of investigations into the Young Alternative for Germany, categorized that group as a confirmed extremist organization. This allowed the chief of the BfV Thomas Haldenwang to place the youth wing under even more intensive surveillance than the tapping of phone and the use of undercover agents that had been the case until then.[45][46]

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany

      Just summarizing here. They are right wing extremists that have taken over old Nazi talking points and are gaining popularity with anti immigration, anti climate change and populist propaganda.

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        BfV is the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, a domestic intelligence agency, so somewhat comparable to the FBI in the USA.

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          They’re also famous for very much being “blind on the right eye”. They didn’t ban the neonazi party “NPD” (for reference: the original Nazi party was the NSDAP) and their last ex boss (Hans-Georg Maaßen) is a far right conspiracy nut.

          They’ve partially come around apparently as they’re now watching the AfD (which is far stronger than the NPD ever was) as well as Maaßen.

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            BfV cannot ban parties. Only the highest court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) can. The only reason they did not do it was because the NPD has too little meaning to be a thread to the German constitution.

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          I don’t think that comparison is very fitting. The FBI is equivalant to the German Bundespolizei (Federal Police).

          The BfV is more like the NSA or the Dept. of homeland security. It’s an domestic intelligence agency.

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      He’s been cheering for nazis for ages by now. Doesn’t that make him a nazi?

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      They’re against immigration, Islam, refugees, gender equality, gay marriage, and Kosher food. They want the German army to bring back conscription.

      They’re fucking Nazis.

      He’s endorsing Nazis.

      He’s a Nazi.

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        Russia, China and the Republicans have been propping European far right parties for the past x decades, and now the recessions and the wars are generating easy support for the populists

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          USA, Ukraine, Israel, Italy and certain NATO countries have been propping up far right culture across the world. Russia and China are just boogeymen for useful idiots to scream about.

          Far right factions in USA support Russia only because of the anti-LGBT social alignment, and not because Russia’s politics is far right. Russia is pretty much in alignment with socialist goals geopolitically and inside their country on the social axis (ban on Nazi elements).

              • “Nazi Winnie the Pooh banned in Russia”

                Yes, seems that they’re taking it very seriously and not just calling shit they don’t like “Nazi”. Considering this is the country that cheers on the Wagner-group, a neonazi extremist mercenary group led by open fascists and literally named after Hitler’s favourite composer (as stated by Wagner’s founder), I’m sure that they’re taking the fight against Nazism very seriously and won’t ever abuse it for propaganda reasons.

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                  I am sure that your username is not a parody, and that you have taken things into account like:

                  • “western expansion” of NATO and disregard for Russia’s national security
                  • NATO breaking Warsaw Pact in 90s
                  • US ex-VP Dick Cheney stating NATO’s goals are to balkanise Russia
                  • how CIA implanted a colour revolution in the form of 2003 Orange protests in Ukraine
                  • then in 2013 with Euromaidan CIA coup
                  • the leaked Nuland-Pyatt call
                  • the famous lecture by Chicago University’s John Mearsheimer
                  • the murder of over 14,000 people in Donbass from 2014 upto 2022 start of conflict

                  and so on.

                  People like you are the same brainwormed zombies that scream “doing X thing means same, moral and intent do not matter”.

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            Italy and Ukraine are on the receiving side of the propping. Israel is a good mention but probably a lesser participant than the big three (the US does most of the dirty work for them).

            In addition to supporting culturally reactionary and discriminatory governments, the far right fawns over the totalitarian strong-man geopolitics.

            And as it is known, it’s convenient for Russia to build fascist-aligned support in their targets to have a casus belli for their internal audience. All while following fascist doctrines themselves

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              Ukraine literally has a far right Nazi government and far right Nazi troops. Zelensky worships and salutes historical Nazi people both in Ukraine and recently with Canada in UN. Italy elected a neofascist party in power. They are on the giver side, not receiver side.

              Russia’s goals are in line with USSR, which, if history serves me correctly, was the opposite of fascist. You are spreading an obvious agenda that flips history.

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                  Can you describe these ways using a proper analysis with historical accuracy and taking into account things like NATO breaking Warsaw Pact in the 90s?

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                    How would the Warsaw Pact be an excuse for being a christofascist totalitarian state that imprisons “others”, kills political opponents, and invades other countries and steals their children?

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                    True but not the discussion being had here. Stay on topic.

                    Also, stop holding Chomsky up as an authority on anything. He is a linguistics professor; nothing more…unless you count just being a leftist Alex Jones, presenting his opinion as fact and selling scripted interviews with himself as “documentaries”

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                And what was the path which made that possible in Ukraine and Italy? They didn’t fall to fascist populists while being a power which strengthens fascist populists globally. It’s hard to see what kind of 4D chess would make Ukraine create fascist minded separatists to be conquered and then fight them with neonazi militia.

                The USSR was quite aligned with their own take on fascism. That’s history.

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                  And what was the path which made that possible in Ukraine and Italy? They didn’t fall to fascist populists

                  Italy elected a neofascist girlboss as PM themselves.

                  As for Ukraine, refer to the leaked call between Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt. You will know how democratic and sovereign USA wanted Ukraine to be.

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                    I don’t think there’s any question if the USA is influencing Ukraine?

                    I tried to say earlier that the neofascists and its support in Italy didn’t come from nowhere organically. And that support leads to gaining power through elections (I guess as opposed to a coup or whatever?) as nations with elections do

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            Putin is a literal Nazi supporter using nazi politics to enact nazi policies while calling others nazis.

            It is hilarious that people are falliing for this.

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                You actually think this makes a point of some kind? Putin oppresses political movements; he absolutely supports the ideology of them, just not in opposition to his authority.

                Wow. Imagine holding up a christofascist oppressor as a beacon of hope and freedom 😂😂😂😂😂

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                  Unlike Zelensky, Putin has not banned all opposition political parties. Tells you who behaves like NSDAP in 2023. If you think Putin is an orthodox Christian fashie, wait till you meet Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Justin Trudeau and most western governments’ heads that actually sleep in bed with church. Putin and Russia do not exactly work the way christofascist western totalitarian dictatorships, with a “neoliberal democracy” mask, do.

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                    Are you telling me that Putin has not banned Pro Ukrainian sentiment? Do you really not understand why zelinsky has been Pro-russian parties? You people are utterly incapable of rational thought, aren’t you?

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          Ah yes, because that doesn’t happen on its own.

          Russia and China don’t have to do shit when Europe’s greatest ally is as right-wing as it it’s been. In fact, there’s even a group for this: the International Democrat Union.

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            Would the Russia and China far right connections and actions then be happenstance in that hypothesis scenario and how could they be explained to be unrelated?

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              Russia and China are irrelevant because their interests in Western economies are tertiary at best: it neither affects them ideologically nor economically.

              Whether Western governments buy Russian oil is entirely independent of what government it is. Whether Western governments buy Chinese manufactured products is entirely independent of what government it is. There’s this puffed up sense of Western self-importance that doesn’t really exist: Russia and China both see that the future of global economic growth will be in the Global South and are allocating resources appropriately.

              In contrast, the International Democratic Union (and similar organizations) have a strong ideological reason for backing right-wing parties and a stronger personal reason to do so: it nets them more funding from corrupt corporations looking for tax breaks and decreased regulation.

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                I like your pondering.

                I have some notes with this theory

                There’s this puffed up sense of Western self-importance that doesn’t really exist: Russia and China both see that the future of global economic growth will be in the Global South and are allocating resources appropriately.

                In addition to each northern superpower abusing the hemisphere, they do fight for influence between the northern smaller ones – the aforementioned propping of accelerationist and/or reactionary movements being one way amoug the trade ones you focused on.

                IDU is a good example, while it seems to be just one path to the efforts

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                  What’s the purpose, though? China and Russia hardly need to touch it, because it’s the direction that US money is flowing anyway.

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                    What’s the purpose of US/China/Russia influencing others? Destabilization, dependancies, just to gain power for immediate or later use purposes? It’s a mighty big question that’d summarize the whole history of geopolitics. Always been happening in different forms I guess.

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          What actually resulted in far right becoming a serious force in Europe was the economic war with Russia. These parties have been fringe for decades, and now they’re polling high in most European countries.

          The right took a stance against the war from the very start, while the left shat the bed by siding with the liberals. Now that support for the war is collapsing people are moving to the right.

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            It’s the final straw (at this moment in time) yes for a situation which has been brewed for a much longer time

            Saw your edit

            The right took a stance against the war from the very start

            This relates more to the moderate right. The far right was openly supporting Russia and against sanctions even after the Crimean invasion. Only after 2022 mobilization they’ve started to hide this

            As the economy is once again in shambles thanks to how capitalism works, the voters are easy pickings for those with empty promises

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            Nah they were gaining a lot even before the war. Do people have such short memories?

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      AfD is mostly populism. Apart from immigration they hardly agree on anything and have a lot of internal conflict about what the stance of the party should be.

      The current situation is that the established parties (and especially the media) don’t engage much in discussion with AfD and just call them nazis, which divides the country. Admitting publicly that you vote for them will also get you thrown into the corner of people everyone calls nazis.

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        It is not just populism. The party is full of racists and homophobes. A member in my area even admits to believing in the great reset, which is an ultra right and anti-semitic conspiracy theory.

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        The AfD is a cesspool of dyed in the wool Nazis. What their official positions are is entirely irrelevant to that. And yes, if you admit to voting for them, people will think you’re a Nazi.

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        That’s because the AfD is a fascist Nazi party and thus idiots voting for them are Nazis, too. Easy.