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    5 days ago

    🙄 Everything not sanctioned by the empires media tendrils gets labeled “propaganda”

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        And you tag everything not sanctioned by the empires media tendrils as “garbage”.

        Aren’t you one of those people who let’s MBFC tell you what to think?

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            Complains about bad sources, cites Wikipedia. Lol

            And be honest, you just mean “Western aligned source”. It’s not like you’re complaining about the BBC.

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              Again, put up or shut up. Find a source that says the Iranian government is anything but a propaganda source. It’s cool, I can wait.

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                  And yet nobody has responded with any site saying Iranian state media is sooooo honest and reliable.

                  Gee… wonder why that is? LOL.

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                    “Give me sources for your sources” lol no, that’s an extremely stupid thing to expect and a blatant double standard, if you put half that much effort into fact checking western media you’d know better already

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                    You tried to claim the BBC isn’t state owned by just typing it in all caps and getting cranky, shut the fuck up.

                    And multiple people linked you Douglas MacGregor verifying this story, you just ignored them because you’re a dishonest little Zionist toad.

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                What does that even mean? The Iranian government is a government. By definition it’s more than just a “propaganda source”.

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                  News from the Iranian government is, de facto, propaganda. They aren’t going to tell the truth about themselves or their enemies.

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                    Funny how you never feel that way about western state media. Or private western propaganda outlets. You only care when someone disagrees with your pre existing beliefs.

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        They cite Douglas MacGregor

        US Naval Institute:

        Col. Douglas Macgregor USA (Ret.) is a decorated combat veteran with a PhD in international relations from the University of Virginia. He is the author of five books and is the executive vice president of Burke-Macgregor Group LLC, a defense and foreign policy consulting firm in Northern Virginia.

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        Its clear friend, you have closed your mind to anything the empire deems as bad. I do hope that you can find your way

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          I have closed my mind to Iranian, Russian, Chinese, Ukrainian and Israeli state propaganda sources, as everyone should.

          It’s a bogus news organization, if you can’t see that, then I’m not the one with vision problems.

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            So you’ve basically admitted you’re an extreme Chauvinist with no interest in impartiality.

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              LOL I’m interested in nothing but impariality.

              State run media, by definition, is not impartial. Doubly so when talking about Russia, China, Ukraine, Turkey, Iran, etc. etc.

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                Doubly so

                So I’m used to you contradicting yourself from one post to the next, but now you’re doing it from one sentence to the next.

                And let’s be honest “impartiality” just means "agrees with your preexisting pro-western bias

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                  No contradiction:

                  State run media is biased in favor of the state running it. That’s a basic fact.

                  When talking about certain governments, it’s EVEN WORSE than normal government interference.

                  You think you’re getting honest news out of Pyongyang? Someone’s Pyonging your Yang if you know what I mean…

                  See also Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, Tel Aviv, Ankara…

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                    No contradiction:

                    “I’m interested in nothing but impartiality.” vs “Doubly so when talking about Russia, China, Ukraine, Turkey, Iran, etc. etc.”

                    That’s the opposite of impartiality, dog.

                    When talking about certain governments, it’s EVEN WORSE than normal government interference.

                    Prove it. Oh wait, they oppose your ideology, which is all you care about.

                    You think you’re getting honest news out of Pyongyang?

                    You think you’re getting honest news out of NYT, or BBC, or AP?

                    See also Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, Tel Aviv, Ankara…

                    Funny how you never include London or Washington or Canberra or the like on this list, Oh right, it’s only “certain governments” you don’t consider impartial.

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            You do not find it the slightest bit weird that they are all non-western sources? They’re good sources fighting against wrongful discreditation by the empire. Open your eyes and ears to what places like New Propaganda Radio (NPR) or New York Lies feed them!

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              Non western sources are fine, sources from authoritarian governments are always sus.

              Example:

              Al Jazira, for the most part, is reliable*

              *As long as their reporting isn’t about Qatar or Qatari interests. They have a huge blind spot there due to their ownership.

              Kyiv Independent has some of the best reporting out of Ukraine.

              Kyiv Insider is Ukrainian state propaganda and should not be trusted.

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                So your standard is completely arbitrary and is just accepting the sources that agree with your pre held pro western opinion

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                  It’s not arbitrary, I wouldn’t trust Western run state owned media either. If it’s state owned, it cannot be trusted.

                  Look at who’s running Voice of America these days, you trust them? Oh, fuck no.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_Lake

                  But has nothing to do with it being “Western” it has to do with it being a mouthpiece for the current ruling party.

                  You trust the news you get from Putin? LOL. Or from Ali Khamenei? Erdoğan? Because if you do, you’re being lied to and in your desperate attempt to avoid “Western” media, you will never know it.

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                    Lol, that Wikipedia article you linked uses state owned media as a source. Guess you are willing to trust state media so long as it’s laundered through a nice, western friendly proxy

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                    It’s not arbitrary, I wouldn’t trust Western run state owned media either. If it’s state owned, it cannot be trusted.

                    So BBC, ABC, CBC are all propaganda outlets that you reject and can’t be trusted?

                    What about privately owned propaganda outlets? You’ve been happy to slurp those down so long as they agree with you.

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                I was going to reply then I realized your username. You’re the infamous zionist jordanlund. Yeah it’s pointless talking to you on this subject when you are on the payroll to reject all arguments

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                  No payroll here, and not sure how repeatedly saying Israel has been committing war crimes for decades and will continue until somebody forces them to stop makes me a zionist. LOL. Try again.

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                    You literally perma banned me for reporting a Gaza genocide denier. You remove any calls for opposing the IDF, you openly admit that ignore calls for violence from the pro-Israel wing.

                    will continue until somebody forces them to stop

                    You would remove this for “advocating violence” if someone said this in one of your subs