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    4 days ago

    Its clear friend, you have closed your mind to anything the empire deems as bad. I do hope that you can find your way

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      4 days ago

      I have closed my mind to Iranian, Russian, Chinese, Ukrainian and Israeli state propaganda sources, as everyone should.

      It’s a bogus news organization, if you can’t see that, then I’m not the one with vision problems.

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        4 days ago

        So you’ve basically admitted you’re an extreme Chauvinist with no interest in impartiality.

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          LOL I’m interested in nothing but impariality.

          State run media, by definition, is not impartial. Doubly so when talking about Russia, China, Ukraine, Turkey, Iran, etc. etc.

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            Doubly so

            So I’m used to you contradicting yourself from one post to the next, but now you’re doing it from one sentence to the next.

            And let’s be honest “impartiality” just means "agrees with your preexisting pro-western bias

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              No contradiction:

              State run media is biased in favor of the state running it. That’s a basic fact.

              When talking about certain governments, it’s EVEN WORSE than normal government interference.

              You think you’re getting honest news out of Pyongyang? Someone’s Pyonging your Yang if you know what I mean…

              See also Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, Tel Aviv, Ankara…

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                No contradiction:

                “I’m interested in nothing but impartiality.” vs “Doubly so when talking about Russia, China, Ukraine, Turkey, Iran, etc. etc.”

                That’s the opposite of impartiality, dog.

                When talking about certain governments, it’s EVEN WORSE than normal government interference.

                Prove it. Oh wait, they oppose your ideology, which is all you care about.

                You think you’re getting honest news out of Pyongyang?

                You think you’re getting honest news out of NYT, or BBC, or AP?

                See also Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, Tel Aviv, Ankara…

                Funny how you never include London or Washington or Canberra or the like on this list, Oh right, it’s only “certain governments” you don’t consider impartial.

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                    They’re not meaningfully distinct from state media in function, any differences are superficial and deliberate attempts to obscure the connection between corporate control of the state and corporate control of the media, be less gullible plz

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                    NYT, BBC, AP ARE NOT STATE OWNED MEDIA.

                    YES. THEY. ARE. YOU. HYPOCRITICAL. LAIR.

                    Also, it’s fucking telling that you straight up couldn’t address the rest of what I said.

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        You do not find it the slightest bit weird that they are all non-western sources? They’re good sources fighting against wrongful discreditation by the empire. Open your eyes and ears to what places like New Propaganda Radio (NPR) or New York Lies feed them!

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          Non western sources are fine, sources from authoritarian governments are always sus.

          Example:

          Al Jazira, for the most part, is reliable*

          *As long as their reporting isn’t about Qatar or Qatari interests. They have a huge blind spot there due to their ownership.

          Kyiv Independent has some of the best reporting out of Ukraine.

          Kyiv Insider is Ukrainian state propaganda and should not be trusted.

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            So your standard is completely arbitrary and is just accepting the sources that agree with your pre held pro western opinion

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              It’s not arbitrary, I wouldn’t trust Western run state owned media either. If it’s state owned, it cannot be trusted.

              Look at who’s running Voice of America these days, you trust them? Oh, fuck no.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_Lake

              But has nothing to do with it being “Western” it has to do with it being a mouthpiece for the current ruling party.

              You trust the news you get from Putin? LOL. Or from Ali Khamenei? Erdoğan? Because if you do, you’re being lied to and in your desperate attempt to avoid “Western” media, you will never know it.

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                Lol, that Wikipedia article you linked uses state owned media as a source. Guess you are willing to trust state media so long as it’s laundered through a nice, western friendly proxy

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                It’s not arbitrary, I wouldn’t trust Western run state owned media either. If it’s state owned, it cannot be trusted.

                So BBC, ABC, CBC are all propaganda outlets that you reject and can’t be trusted?

                What about privately owned propaganda outlets? You’ve been happy to slurp those down so long as they agree with you.

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                    BBC, ABC, CBC are not state run, this outlet in Iran IS. See the difference?

                    Loooooooooooooooooooooooool

                    Ok, so you’re tactic is to just stick your fingers in your ears and scream “no no no no” to basic facts.

                    The BBC charter makes it independent of the British government

                    Except for the bit where it funds it and selects its board. Only the most willfully dishonest, piece of shit lying ideologue would say that is independent.

                    The fact you don’t know ANY of this speaks volumes.

                    Seems like you’re the one who doesn’t know if you think they’re independent. But of course, you do know; but they agree with your ideology so you’re willing to lie through your teeth to defend them

                    Feel free to read their charters:

                    So does Iranian state media have in their charters that they are propaganda outlets for the government? Because if not, you would be a scum fucking hypocrite to consider them that while also expecting us to take the words of the western state media outlets at their words, just because you agree with them.

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            I was going to reply then I realized your username. You’re the infamous zionist jordanlund. Yeah it’s pointless talking to you on this subject when you are on the payroll to reject all arguments

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              No payroll here, and not sure how repeatedly saying Israel has been committing war crimes for decades and will continue until somebody forces them to stop makes me a zionist. LOL. Try again.

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                You literally perma banned me for reporting a Gaza genocide denier. You remove any calls for opposing the IDF, you openly admit that ignore calls for violence from the pro-Israel wing.

                will continue until somebody forces them to stop

                You would remove this for “advocating violence” if someone said this in one of your subs

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                  Yup, because you crossed a line attacking other users, we don’t allow people to be assholes to other users. Get over yourself.

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                    Oh, so if someone reported a Uigher genocide denier, you would ban the person who reported them for “attacking other user?”

                    Rhetorical question; of course you wouldn’t; because you’re a hypocritical zionist scumbag who only opposes genocide when the West’s enemies do it.

                    we don’t allow people to be assholes to other users.

                    Well that’s just a straight up, easily verifiable lie; you give complete free reign to the people who agree with you to be the biggest assholes imaginable to the people you disagree with. You’ll only step in to make sure they get to dish it out without having to take it in return.