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      That word doesn’t mean anything to him, except as a tool to prosecute people he doesn’t like. Obviously laws and illegality don’t mean shit when it’s him breaking the law.

      Pretty sure there is enough evidence for treason at this point, but Congress won’t act on it.

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        That word doesn’t mean anything to him

        “Illegal” as in “illegal immigrants”. It’s a connotation word, it doesn’t mean anything on its own obviously.

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      That’s the weasel word that lets the right know exactly what he means but still able to pretend like it isn’t what he means.

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      Next time an american speaks about “muh first amendment”, “USA only free speech country in the world” bullshit, show them this

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        The problem is it cuts both ways. The Democrats saying they want hate speech to not be protected and Nazi propaganda to be censored is just the flipside of the same coin.

        Either you have free speech or you don’t

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            If it has a limit, it’s not free

            If I can’t do a Nazi salute, then I can’t say “I want to shoot Donald Trump in the face”

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              If it has a limit, it’s not free

              “Free bread sticks”

              “I’ll take 100”

              “Um… No. You can’t have that many.”

              “iF tHeRe’S a LiMiT iT’s NoT fReE!”

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                Don’t be pedantic. A limit would be “free breadsticks only if you decide to pray to our god in front of us.”

                If you say unlimited and then put a limit on it, that is illegal, as Verizon and AT&T found out in court

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                  If you say unlimited and then put a limit on it

                  When did the American Constitution promise “Unlimited Speech”?

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                No, because it is unconstitutional to put someone under oath

                By definition, it means a solemn promise that is beholden to a deity therefore it is illegitimate in court and law by the First Amendment.

                You probably also think it should not be legal to kill people that break into your house to steal your TV.

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                The phrase “shouting fire in a crowded theater” is outdated and legally irrelevant to modern free speech discussions. Its origin from Schenck v. United States (1919) was overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), which set a much higher standard for restricting speech. Modern First Amendment doctrine protects almost all speech unless it directly incites imminent violence or crime.

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            I’m banned from that platform because they do not believe in free speech absolutism, especially when you start in on churches and cops

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          There is a massive difference between allowed to say my government is doing something wrong, and being allowed to say “gas all the kikes”. One is criticism of authority, which is good. The other is hate speech, which is bad. You can absolutely have one without the other.

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            There is no difference between those two phrases if you actually have free speech

            And in fact, saying “I voted for Donald Trump”, is way more offensive to me than saying “kill everyone in Gaza”

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          Free speech isn’t intended to supercede criminal law. Advocating for hurting people is a crime. If they want to do it and have it be covered as “free speech”, they need to start by changing the law.

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            Advocating for hurting people is not a crime. Even an inactionable threat is not a crime. Look up precedent for arrests of inciting a riot and see how many of those charges actually stuck or help up on appeal.

            The fact that people are saying yore okay to punch Nazis in the face would be a violation of what you are advocating for but you have no problem with that because you don’t like Nazis.

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      You are not wrong. The Supreme Court finding presidential immunity and then allowing an insurrectionist to run in contravention of the 14th amendment seems to have finally put the old document to rest.

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    Last time I checked, people had a right to peaceful assembly and to protest.

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        So he’s saying Schools aren’t allowed to let Nazis protest that minorities are allowed to attend the school?

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    Well that’s easy. The protests aren’t illegal. Therefore this amounts to nothing.

    Fuck this dude.

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    Its crazy us colleges get federal funding after asking like 6 digit tuition feom students.

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      Of course he does. His whole ascent to Presidency has had plenty on display. This isn’t new. It’s because people see him behave this way that he got this far. That’s the problem.