• Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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    Tell me again how a Trump administration will save the Palestinians. I haven’t had a laugh in a bit.

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      You are a genocide supporter. You will never be clean again, and the rest of humanity sees you for the snivelling nazi that you are. There’s no coming back from this.

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        The last four years have utterly shattered any illusions i’d had left about the true nature of democrats. Me too, blm, covid, yemen, and now gaza. They are serpents.

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      It almost certainly won’t, but that doesn’t justify voting for a fascist who is exterminating children.

      You’re oh so willing to let millions die to get your preferred politician in power, but I bet you’d be singing a different tune of the millions included you and yours.

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        …that doesn’t justify voting for a fascist who is exterminating children.

        100% agree, which is why I am not voting for Trump, the actual fascist, and I am doing everything in my power to make sure he and his cronie do not win, INCLUDING not wasting my vote by abstaining or voting third party. This shit is too important to fuck about.

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            Idk, some old guy who’s not on the ballot. Do you know who’s calling Netanyahu every day to undermine the current administration’s ceasefire efforts?

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              The “ceasefire” efforts are a bad faith smokescreen. If you follow the claimed contents of the “ceasefire” they are pushing, it is actually conditions of surrender. The purpose of their “ceasefire” propaganda was to coopt the “ceasefire now” rhetoric of those opposed to genocide. Just to inflate my ego a little, I fought very hard locally to avoid ceasefire rhetoric because I knew it was weak and easy to coopt. I, along with my orgs, successfully promoted that we demand an arms embargo instead, and that is the more durable demand being made by these groups (I probably only had a minor impact on this outside where I live).

              Anyways, one clue for how the “ceasefire” line is bullshit is that Israel has assassinated the people they were allegedly negotiating with, to Biden-Harris applause.

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          Genocide is no longer fascist in the liberal lexicon. Obama dropping bombs on the ME and north Africa, the Biden regime giving more money and aid to Israel than any year in its entire history, is now considered an “anti-fascist” option by liberals.

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            Most of the horrors assigned to fascists, as understood in the liberal canon, had precedents among liberal governments, often on much larger scales. Most genocides around the planet, and most people killed in genocide, were carried out by liberals in liberal democracy. They are the genocides of colonialism, including settler- colonialism, inckuding the genocide of indigenous Americans still in living memory. Nationalism is a liberal campaign, it emerges from capitalism and its primary ideology, and liberals celebrate it constantly. Scapegoating and creating marginalized groups has always been something liberals engaged in, though there has also always been a split between those they consider gauche and unacceptable (and they are the “good guys” for opposing) and those that they find acceptable (they are still the “good guys” for this), like their current siniphobia, russophobia, and islamophobia.

            Point is, genocide is making a return in liberal discourse to being something they accept. They already did before and were very racist about it. They just took a break, at least in their PR, after they had their sole actual “good guy” war in WWII and needed to rhetorically distance themselves from Nazis and work around the popularity of the left in Europe after the defeat of the Nazis.

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          If you give your vote to Kamala Harris you are endorsing the genocide of the Palestinian people.

          This is an undeniable fact and no amount of mental gymnastics on your part is going to change that.

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            Hmmm, you’re using an electronic device, which means you endorse the brutal child labor that contributed to manufacturing that device.

            This is an undeniable fact and no amount of mental gymnastics on your part is going to change that.

            Hey everyone! Ram here endorses forcing children to mine rare earth metals in third world countries! Shame them for their endorsement of exploitative labor practices

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          the fascism is coming from inside the house my clown. u are going to vote for the sidekick and supporter of a self proclaimed zionist. She IS a fascist, she supports genocide.

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      Why does this have to be about Trump? Biden has been a president for the past year and he enabled the genocide. No one is pretending Trump will be better. We just don’t want to vote for a pro-genocide party be it red or blue. Democrats deserve to lose votes over their support for Israel.