Doesn’t matter who hosts it. Oracle has no access to the user data. Just because some website is hosted there does not mean that they can see the data.
Despite this, they don’t believe tiktok’s assurances that the CCP doesn’t actually have ready access to the data. However the only evidence they’ve presented is testimony from a former employee.
Even if that were the case, couldn’t the Chinese government just covertly get one of their companies to buy any such data from companies like Meta and Google anyways, and then request it from one of their own firms if they wanted to? Tiktok just makes it so that the Chinese government can (if they were harvesting American data) acquire it for free.
I can understand concerns over point #2 here, but #1 and #3 seem wild to me.
Seems fairly arrogant for you to declare that these positions are ‘wild’ and then expect other people to explain why they’re not. Seems like you should be able to justify why those positions are “wild”, because they seem perfectly reasonable to me.
If it were the US vs another democratic country, I would feel like that too.
I’m particularly concerned with China (and Russia) because:
They are not a democratic country.
They do not have freedom of speech like most countries
As far as I perceive, they are generally enemies of well-intentioned countries.
I might have a different perspective though. I’m a fairly recent US immigrant from Canada.
Edit: I’d like to add, my tone may come across wrong over written text, I’m just trying to understand people’s overall perspective and whether mine is different, I’m not trying to argue and I’m not upset at you nor any of the commenters I’ve seen on similar posts.
As far as I perceive, they are generally enemies of well-intentioned countries.
I’m not sure which countries you’re referring to, but maybe you mean the other imperial core countries. As neocolonizers, they are no more well-intentioned than the US is, from the perspective of the periphery countries they plunder.
Seems like you’re just coming from a position of pure western chauvinism, starting with the premise that the West is the ‘good guys’ and their enemies are the ‘bad guys’ and working backwards from it. That’s the only way you could arrive at this idea that there’s some binary “democrat/not democrat” standard. In truth its not really clear how you could say that China is any less democratic than the USA, let alone “not a democrat country” (implying the USA is).
Even more clearly chauvinistic is your third bullet point. How in the world are you determining which countries are “well intentioned?” Is Israel will intentioned? Is Saudi Arabia? Is the USA? How are you determining that China and the many African countries it’s friends with are not “well intentioned”? Seems like you’re just appealing to orientalist stereotypes about non Westerners being conniving and duplicitous.
I was wondering whether what felt like common sense to me was the same as what felt like common sense for others, and I see that between us it’s not.
I’m not gonna bother trying to argue with you, I doubt it would be productive in any way, I’m not gonna change your mind. Additionally, you’ve put a lot of words into my mouth and inferred that I believe a lot of things that I really don’t believe, which is a bit upsetting.
They are just jealous that someone else is getting all the tasty data, and they think it should be going to a US company instead.
Except US TikTok data is hosted by Oracle in the US…?
Doesn’t matter who hosts it. Oracle has no access to the user data. Just because some website is hosted there does not mean that they can see the data.
Yeah, it’s not about ‘data.’
It’s about money. Lol. American rulers want a piece of that pie, and they have plenty of useful idiots spreading FUD to help them.
Despite this, they don’t believe tiktok’s assurances that the CCP doesn’t actually have ready access to the data. However the only evidence they’ve presented is testimony from a former employee.
Even if that were the case, couldn’t the Chinese government just covertly get one of their companies to buy any such data from companies like Meta and Google anyways, and then request it from one of their own firms if they wanted to? Tiktok just makes it so that the Chinese government can (if they were harvesting American data) acquire it for free.
More than that, US companies have maintained monopolies for decades in the tech sector, and feel entitled to them even as markets shift away.
I’m a bit worried about the amount of people I see making this argument whenever I see posts about a TikTok ban/acquisition.
I’m getting the impression that, either:
Am I correct? Is there a nuance I’m missing?
I can understand concerns over point #2 here, but #1 and #3 seem wild to me.
Well since I see US propaganda literally everywhere else it’s nice to get some counter-programming.
Seems fairly arrogant for you to declare that these positions are ‘wild’ and then expect other people to explain why they’re not. Seems like you should be able to justify why those positions are “wild”, because they seem perfectly reasonable to me.
Yli.think you make a reasonable point, but it feels like choosing between getting stabbed in the left leg vs the right leg.
If it were the US vs another democratic country, I would feel like that too.
I’m particularly concerned with China (and Russia) because:
I might have a different perspective though. I’m a fairly recent US immigrant from Canada.
Edit: I’d like to add, my tone may come across wrong over written text, I’m just trying to understand people’s overall perspective and whether mine is different, I’m not trying to argue and I’m not upset at you nor any of the commenters I’ve seen on similar posts.
Why would you say that? Meanwhile, Princeton University Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy. Which isn’t surprising since capitalist democracy is a sham democracy.
I can only say that they are freer than Anglosphere propaganda claim. Meanwhile Julian Assange has been a political prisoner for 12 years and counting, despite even the major Global North corporate media pleading for his exoneration.
I’m not sure which countries you’re referring to, but maybe you mean the other imperial core countries. As neocolonizers, they are no more well-intentioned than the US is, from the perspective of the periphery countries they plunder.
You’re getting hit by a some bad faith willful misunderstander comments
It’s true that Russia or China aren’t well-intentioned nor democracies AND the USA belongs to that same group.
Your comment is a perfect example of what US propaganda does to people.
Seems like you’re just coming from a position of pure western chauvinism, starting with the premise that the West is the ‘good guys’ and their enemies are the ‘bad guys’ and working backwards from it. That’s the only way you could arrive at this idea that there’s some binary “democrat/not democrat” standard. In truth its not really clear how you could say that China is any less democratic than the USA, let alone “not a democrat country” (implying the USA is).
Even more clearly chauvinistic is your third bullet point. How in the world are you determining which countries are “well intentioned?” Is Israel will intentioned? Is Saudi Arabia? Is the USA? How are you determining that China and the many African countries it’s friends with are not “well intentioned”? Seems like you’re just appealing to orientalist stereotypes about non Westerners being conniving and duplicitous.
I was wondering whether what felt like common sense to me was the same as what felt like common sense for others, and I see that between us it’s not.
I’m not gonna bother trying to argue with you, I doubt it would be productive in any way, I’m not gonna change your mind. Additionally, you’ve put a lot of words into my mouth and inferred that I believe a lot of things that I really don’t believe, which is a bit upsetting.