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Anyone still repeating the “Uighur genocide” conspiracy theory in this day and age - long after the western media has backed away from it, independent bodies have found no evidence, Isreal demonstrating that you can’t ‘secretly’ genocide a population without evidence getting out, and all the original proponents of the conspiracy now one hundred percent on board for the genocide of Palestinians - is either knowingly lying or terminally propagandized.
The Chinese government has committed a series of ongoing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang that is often characterized as genocide. Beginning in 2014, the Chinese government, under the administration of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) General Secretary Xi Jinping, incarcerated more than an estimated one million Turkic Muslims without any legal process in internment camps. Operations from 2016 to 2021 were led by Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo.[2] It is the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.[3][4] The Chinese government began to wind down the camps in 2019. Amnesty International states that detainees have been increasingly transferred to the formal penal system.
Is this the thing you’re calling false? It’s true that it’s not as deadly as what Israel is doing, but that doesn’t make it less fucked. Pls try harder, propagandist.
Where do you think the Xinjiang terrorist attacks magically appeared from? From the United States organizing and funding them for the purposes of destabilizing China. And once their destabilization efforts failed, where did the fable of a “Uyghur genocide” come from? From CIA cut-out NGOs like the World Uyghur Congress.
We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.
Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany (from the same town the CIA-owned Radio Free Europe operates). From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.
The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.
Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.
Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).
Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.
Glad to see that Amnesty International is apparently not a third party source that’s confirmed this occurrence.
Do you live on the same planet that I do?
Just to provide some more info on the human rights abuses being carried out against Uyghurs (you might want to learn the english spelling of the group you’re denying the abhorrent treatment of without using the Cyrillic derived one in the future, it will add to your propaganda’s credibility):
Besides that, you’ve posted literally zero evidence of any of your claims
I will literally follow you around this site and continue to prove you wrong because I’m sick and tired of your bs tbh. Seen you purporting false information way too many times.
Posting a thousand articles that just cite and restate Adrien Zenz and the Australian Strategic Policy Institute is not different from just posting them directly
The UN and HRW say you’re wrong.
The UN report based on actually visited the area did not find evidence of genocide, so you’re just lying now. As for HRW; they just regurgitated Zenz and ASPI. In fact, that’s the recurring pattern; all of the people actually crowing about genocide never try to produce primary evidence themselves.
Besides that, you’ve posted literally zero evidence of any of your claims
You’re a a child molester; provide evidence that you’re not!
I never said genocide and neither did the other commenter. You did, specifically because the human rights abuses the UN did find don’t constitute genocide.
Also, the guardian article very explicitly gives some points about the UN report in case you didn’t want to read it:
Five key points from the UN report on Xinjiang human rights abuses
Crimes against humanity
The top line of the UN high commissioner for human rights (OHCHR) report is that the commissioner’s office found credible evidence of torture and other human rights abuses that were likely to be “crimes against humanity”.
The report included allegations of people being strapped by their hands and feet to a “tiger chair” and beaten, women raped, and others held in extended solitary confinement. Others appeared to have been waterboarded, as the report described individuals “being subjected to interrogation with water being poured in their faces”.
Anti-extremism
The report was highly critical of the Chinese government’s anti-extremism doctrine, which underpins the crackdown. It said the laws and regulations were vague and ill-defined, open to individual interpretation, and blurred the line between indicators of concern and suspected criminality. Both categories also contained a copious number of benign acts classed as extremism despite having no connection to it, such as having a beard or a social media account.
Such indicators may simply be “the manifestation of personal choice in the practice of Islamic religious beliefs and/or legitimate expression of opinion” it said.
Accusations of extremism could result in people being referred to detention facilities at multiple stages along the investigative process by police, prosecutors or the courts.
Arbitrary detention
The report found there was an acute risk of arbitrary detention and that it was “reasonable to conclude that a pattern of large-scale arbitrary detention occurred in [vocational education and training centre] facilities, at least during 2017 to 2019”. It pushed back on Beijing’s claims that the facilities were schools or training centres where participants were free to join and leave. The report said such “placements” amounted to a form of deprivation of liberty.
“A deprivation of liberty occurs when a person is being held without his or her consent,” it said.
“Consistent accounts obtained by the OHCHR, however, indicate a lack of free and informed consent to being placed in the centres; that it is impossible for an individual detained in such a heavily guarded centre to leave of their own free will.”
Two-thirds of the former detainees interviewed by the OHCHR reported being subject to treatment that would amount to torture or other forms of ill-treatment.
Forced labour
The report also pushed back on China’s rejection of forced labour accusations, finding them to appear discriminatory in nature or effect, and to involve elements of coercion. It said the labour schemes were closely linked to the anti-extremism framework and arbitrary detention, which “raises concerns in terms of the extent to which such programmes can be fully voluntary”.
Forced medication and sexual abuse
Detainees were also forced to take medication or injections without explanation of what it was. It noted persistent claims of sexual abuse and violence in the facilities, and government denials which often used “personal or gendered attacks” against the women reporting allegations.
The report also found the Chinese government made a “clear link between frequency in child births and religious ‘extremism’”. It said there were “credible indications of violations of reproductive rights through the coercive enforcement of family planning policies”, including allegations of forced abortions, contraception and sterilisation. It noted Xinjiang’s rate of sterilisation was 243 procedures for every 100,000 inhabitants, compared with a national average of 32.
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Anyone still repeating the “Uighur genocide” conspiracy theory in this day and age - long after the western media has backed away from it, independent bodies have found no evidence, Isreal demonstrating that you can’t ‘secretly’ genocide a population without evidence getting out, and all the original proponents of the conspiracy now one hundred percent on board for the genocide of Palestinians - is either knowingly lying or terminally propagandized.
The Chinese government has committed a series of ongoing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang that is often characterized as genocide. Beginning in 2014, the Chinese government, under the administration of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) General Secretary Xi Jinping, incarcerated more than an estimated one million Turkic Muslims without any legal process in internment camps. Operations from 2016 to 2021 were led by Xinjiang CCP Secretary Chen Quanguo.[2] It is the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.[3][4] The Chinese government began to wind down the camps in 2019. Amnesty International states that detainees have been increasingly transferred to the formal penal system.
Is this the thing you’re calling false? It’s true that it’s not as deadly as what Israel is doing, but that doesn’t make it less fucked. Pls try harder, propagandist.
Where do you think the Xinjiang terrorist attacks magically appeared from? From the United States organizing and funding them for the purposes of destabilizing China. And once their destabilization efforts failed, where did the fable of a “Uyghur genocide” come from? From CIA cut-out NGOs like the World Uyghur Congress.
The blueprint of regime change operations
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. What point exactly are you trying to make?
Glad to see that Amnesty International is apparently not a third party source that’s confirmed this occurrence.
Do you live on the same planet that I do?
Just to provide some more info on the human rights abuses being carried out against Uyghurs (you might want to learn the english spelling of the group you’re denying the abhorrent treatment of without using the Cyrillic derived one in the future, it will add to your propaganda’s credibility):
https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/uyghurs-credible-case-china-carrying-out-genocide
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/31/china-unrelenting-crimes-against-humanity-targeting-uyghurs
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/01/five-key-points-from-the-un-report-on-xinjiang-china-human-rights-abuses-uyghur-muslims
Correct.
Apparently not, on my planet, for example, mindlessly copy pasting text from wikipedia is not considered a compelling point.
Check the links I’ve provided.
The UN and HRW say you’re wrong.
Besides that, you’ve posted literally zero evidence of any of your claims
I will literally follow you around this site and continue to prove you wrong because I’m sick and tired of your bs tbh. Seen you purporting false information way too many times.
Human Rights Watch is a straight up NED/CIA outlet.
https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hwi7ub/i_am_sophie_richardson_china_director_at_human/
You are telling me that I trust these clowns?
Posting a thousand articles that just cite and restate Adrien Zenz and the Australian Strategic Policy Institute is not different from just posting them directly
The UN report based on actually visited the area did not find evidence of genocide, so you’re just lying now. As for HRW; they just regurgitated Zenz and ASPI. In fact, that’s the recurring pattern; all of the people actually crowing about genocide never try to produce primary evidence themselves.
You’re a a child molester; provide evidence that you’re not!
I never said genocide and neither did the other commenter. You did, specifically because the human rights abuses the UN did find don’t constitute genocide.
I also found a primary source report after like 3 mins of looking https://newlinesinstitute.org/rules-based-international-order/genocide/the-uyghur-genocide-an-examination-of-chinas-breaches-of-the-1948-genocide-convention/
Also, the guardian article very explicitly gives some points about the UN report in case you didn’t want to read it:
Five key points from the UN report on Xinjiang human rights abuses
Crimes against humanity
The top line of the UN high commissioner for human rights (OHCHR) report is that the commissioner’s office found credible evidence of torture and other human rights abuses that were likely to be “crimes against humanity”.
The report included allegations of people being strapped by their hands and feet to a “tiger chair” and beaten, women raped, and others held in extended solitary confinement. Others appeared to have been waterboarded, as the report described individuals “being subjected to interrogation with water being poured in their faces”.
Anti-extremism
The report was highly critical of the Chinese government’s anti-extremism doctrine, which underpins the crackdown. It said the laws and regulations were vague and ill-defined, open to individual interpretation, and blurred the line between indicators of concern and suspected criminality. Both categories also contained a copious number of benign acts classed as extremism despite having no connection to it, such as having a beard or a social media account.
Such indicators may simply be “the manifestation of personal choice in the practice of Islamic religious beliefs and/or legitimate expression of opinion” it said.
Accusations of extremism could result in people being referred to detention facilities at multiple stages along the investigative process by police, prosecutors or the courts. Arbitrary detention
The report found there was an acute risk of arbitrary detention and that it was “reasonable to conclude that a pattern of large-scale arbitrary detention occurred in [vocational education and training centre] facilities, at least during 2017 to 2019”. It pushed back on Beijing’s claims that the facilities were schools or training centres where participants were free to join and leave. The report said such “placements” amounted to a form of deprivation of liberty.
“A deprivation of liberty occurs when a person is being held without his or her consent,” it said.
“Consistent accounts obtained by the OHCHR, however, indicate a lack of free and informed consent to being placed in the centres; that it is impossible for an individual detained in such a heavily guarded centre to leave of their own free will.”
Two-thirds of the former detainees interviewed by the OHCHR reported being subject to treatment that would amount to torture or other forms of ill-treatment. Forced labour
The report also pushed back on China’s rejection of forced labour accusations, finding them to appear discriminatory in nature or effect, and to involve elements of coercion. It said the labour schemes were closely linked to the anti-extremism framework and arbitrary detention, which “raises concerns in terms of the extent to which such programmes can be fully voluntary”. Forced medication and sexual abuse
Detainees were also forced to take medication or injections without explanation of what it was. It noted persistent claims of sexual abuse and violence in the facilities, and government denials which often used “personal or gendered attacks” against the women reporting allegations.
The report also found the Chinese government made a “clear link between frequency in child births and religious ‘extremism’”. It said there were “credible indications of violations of reproductive rights through the coercive enforcement of family planning policies”, including allegations of forced abortions, contraception and sterilisation. It noted Xinjiang’s rate of sterilisation was 243 procedures for every 100,000 inhabitants, compared with a national average of 32.
Feddit de once again reminding everyone that germany never underwent denazification. Anyway, onto the list you go.