And legally, they are right. One serving is very, very small, and therefore, one serving is considered to have no [whatever].
Just like TicTacs. They are 100% sugar to a rounding error, but as the “serving size” is one TicTac, which weighs less than half a gram, it is legally considered “sugar free”.
Which tells a lot about the real value of “legally”.
And who the fuck cares about calories in serving size?
Calories per 100g would be highly misleading in a product like this. You might use a couple or few sprays, but you’re not going to use a significant amount.
That said, listing calories-per-standard-amount as a secondary requirement I could absolutely get behind.
The thing people need to remember about serving sizes is that they are 1) based on studies of what people actually consume, and 2) intended to be parts of a meal. You don’t eat “one serving” for a meal. You’d have a serving of several different things. It’s extremely unperfect, but at least it gives you something you can work with. I do specifically like them having to also provide “calories per container”, though - that’s a good attempt to help solve this problem.
I now can easily compare different Oils with each other and also have some compassion how much energy per volume the oil has. If I need the exact values for my “serving”, I can easily and correctly calculate them.
Oh and liquids are specified in amount person 100ml, not per amount in 100g.
This is useful info. And of course when I use OIL I know what I do, the differences aren’t too large between oils, energy-wise. For snacks I do glance at that info, however.
(Oh and the label info made me less afraid of using oils - I use quite a lot of olive oil, even more than sunflower oil for cooking. I can use A LOOOT of oil in my cooking , if I just leave out that snickers bar later in the day)
Update: Btw my sunflower oil declares a serving to be 10ml, while still listing the 100ml values.
Calories per serving size is even more misleading here than calories per 100g, given that they’ve chosen their “serving size” by what numbers it lets them put on the packaging instead of by what someone would actually use.
JFC. The irony of this entire comment, but the best is…
This is why I hate Lemmy sometimes. People don’t fucking read and just go off the very tops of emotional response… *Proceeds into emotional rant about stupid users*
The lack of self-awareness here is nearly palpable.
Saying that 0.25g of oil has 0g of fat is legally wrong. Or should be, why are they rounding down one number and not the other?? Numbers should legally be rounded to the same decimality or whatever as the serving size unit.
If the amount of [something] per serving size is below 0.5g, they can legally claim that the food is [something]-free.
At least with fat, protein, or sugar. Although the food industry would probably lobby for this to apply to lead or cadmium, too. Or any other chemical used in UHP foods.
Which tells a lot about the real value of “legally”.
Maybe, but it’s also a reflection of the true usage in these cases. Okay, say they are legally required to list it as one calorie. That basically makes zero difference to how people consume these products - barring some sort of weird edge cases.
And legally, they are right. One serving is very, very small, and therefore, one serving is considered to have no [whatever].
Just like TicTacs. They are 100% sugar to a rounding error, but as the “serving size” is one TicTac, which weighs less than half a gram, it is legally considered “sugar free”.
Which tells a lot about the real value of “legally”.
And who the fuck cares about calories in serving size?
What about a better standard like calories per 100g?
Like Europe uses?
Calories per 100g would be highly misleading in a product like this. You might use a couple or few sprays, but you’re not going to use a significant amount.
That said, listing calories-per-standard-amount as a secondary requirement I could absolutely get behind.
The thing people need to remember about serving sizes is that they are 1) based on studies of what people actually consume, and 2) intended to be parts of a meal. You don’t eat “one serving” for a meal. You’d have a serving of several different things. It’s extremely unperfect, but at least it gives you something you can work with. I do specifically like them having to also provide “calories per container”, though - that’s a good attempt to help solve this problem.
Oh it seems I can’t add a photo in a comment.
Wanted to share one of the olive oil I have here:
Durchschnitt /100ml:
Energie 3389 kJ/824 kcal Fett 91,6g davon gesättigte Fettsäuren 14,2g Kohlehydrate 0g davon Zucker 0g Eiweiß 0g Salz 0g
(Energy, fat, saturated fats, carbohydrates, sugar, salt)
I now can easily compare different Oils with each other and also have some compassion how much energy per volume the oil has. If I need the exact values for my “serving”, I can easily and correctly calculate them.
Oh and liquids are specified in amount person 100ml, not per amount in 100g.
This is useful info. And of course when I use OIL I know what I do, the differences aren’t too large between oils, energy-wise. For snacks I do glance at that info, however.
(Oh and the label info made me less afraid of using oils - I use quite a lot of olive oil, even more than sunflower oil for cooking. I can use A LOOOT of oil in my cooking , if I just leave out that snickers bar later in the day)
Update: Btw my sunflower oil declares a serving to be 10ml, while still listing the 100ml values.
Calories per serving size is even more misleading here than calories per 100g, given that they’ve chosen their “serving size” by what numbers it lets them put on the packaging instead of by what someone would actually use.
All products in the EU must indicate all nutritional values both by serving size and by 100 g. Also as a percentage of the recommended daily dose.
It’s not hard.
Did you stop reading after my first para and ignore my second? Also, please show me where I said it was difficult.
This is why I hate Lemmy sometimes. People don’t fucking read and just go off the very tops of emotional response.
It definitely makes me want to block this community if that’s all it’s gonna be.
THIS THING GOOD
THIS THING BAD
NO NUANCE ALLOW, ME NOT HAVE BRAIN TO THINK OF MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME
Reading apparently is. To people here, not you or just you at least.
JFC. The irony of this entire comment, but the best is…
The lack of self-awareness here is nearly palpable.
I fucking read it all and comprehended, so fuck off.
That sure seems like another off the top emotional response. It feels like someone here might have a double standard.
The difference here is that I can reasonably believe the quarter second of spray being an accurate serving, but nobody has just one tictac.
Quarter of a second of spray is vastly less reasonable as a serving size, no matter how unreasonable you consider stopping at a single tictac.
I don’t use spray, but those that use it normally do four or five sprays. Or sometimes even more.
Saying that 0.25g of oil has 0g of fat is legally wrong. Or should be, why are they rounding down one number and not the other?? Numbers should legally be rounded to the same decimality or whatever as the serving size unit.
If the amount of [something] per serving size is below 0.5g, they can legally claim that the food is [something]-free.
At least with fat, protein, or sugar. Although the food industry would probably lobby for this to apply to lead or cadmium, too. Or any other chemical used in UHP foods.
Maybe, but it’s also a reflection of the true usage in these cases. Okay, say they are legally required to list it as one calorie. That basically makes zero difference to how people consume these products - barring some sort of weird edge cases.