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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 hours ago

Trump told Ukraine it had no cards. Then Kyiv took the war to Russia

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Trump told Ukraine it had no cards. Then Kyiv took the war to Russia

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 hours ago
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U.S. President Donald Trump told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy last year that he had “no cards” in the fight against Russia. But since the meeting, Ukraine has shown it can take the war to Russia.
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  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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    Why didn’t they think of that before!

    Now it makes sense why Zelensky keeps firing all his generals until he found one that came up with this genius idea!

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      Oh Fedorov was dismissed too.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    AP buries the lede as usual:

    It’s an expensive and time-consuming way to wage war since only 5% to 9% of what Ukraine fires gets past Russian air defenses, according to Watling.

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      The opposite is also true. And it is part of the equation: you send cheap drones to force the use of expensive air defense. It is a war of economic attrition.

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        Right, and one side has a whole tot more to send

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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        Do provide citations to substantiate the claim that Russia is spending more on air defence than the west is on drones. Meanwhile, if you want to see actual economic war of attrition then go look at what Russian missiles are doing to infrastructure in Ukraine where there are no air defences. For example, around 70% of imports and exports went through Odessa which is now blockaded. And Ukrainian warehouses are being systematically eliminated. https://dengi.ua/en/business/9761324-russian-strikes-on-warehouses-how-the-war-is-reshaping-ukraine-s-logistics

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          $50k for long range drone vs $2M for missile defense. So it’s $1m to attack vs $2M to defend.

          https://defence-blog.com/cheap-drones-are-beating-russias-billion-dollar-air-defenses/

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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            In practice Russia uses Pantsir https://odin.t2com.army.mil/WEG/Asset/96K6_Pantsir-S1_(SA-22_Greyhound)_Russian_Short-Range_Air_Defense_Gun::Missile_System which has point defences rather than just using missiles. Russia has also developed Yolka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolka_(drone_interceptor) interceptor drones. Also, cost of production in Russia is far lower than it is in the west. What you’re reading in your link is projection, their analysis is based on what’s happening to yanks in the war on Iran. Anybody who thinks Russia uses S300/400 or Buk systems to intercept drones is not engaging with reality.

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              Pantsir which has point defences rather than just using missiles.

              Pantsir is missiles, just many smaller ones. It’s still $200k missile to stop a $50k drone.

              https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2026/07/08/cheap-ukrainian-drones-are-beating-russias-billion-dollar-s-400-s-300-and-pantsir-air-defense-systems/

              Also, cost of production in Russia is far lower

              Reported prices include foreign exchange rate differences. If Pantsir was built in the US it would be $2M per missile instead of $200k.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                No, Pantsir also has guns for close range interceptions, and you’ve just walked back your original claim by an order of magnitude. But even if we take your 200k number, how would you say that compares to not having AD at all which is the case in Ukraine? Do you think it’s worse having all your infrastructure destroyed or better, if it is a matter of attrition which side do you think is coming out ahead here?

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                  Guns aren’t effective against drones which is why the Pantsir-SMD-E was ordered which removes the guns to add more missiles for drone defense.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir_missile_system

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