There is really not much to be said.
North korea, russia praise is destructive.
The critique of those regions is obviously not “pro west” as is evident to anyone with a cell in their skull.
It just wastes all time.
There is really not much to be said.
North korea, russia praise is destructive.
The critique of those regions is obviously not “pro west” as is evident to anyone with a cell in their skull.
It just wastes all time.
part of counterprop is not platforming fascist bullshit
Turning every leftist community into a siloed circlejerk is great if all you want is a glorified (and self-enshittifying) social club - but you’re not going to be doing anything that can be called counter-propaganda with a straight face.
The latter actually requires engaging with people who will actively try and find the weak spots in your narratives while you are doing the same to theirs in a place where others can actually witness it and gain understanding through social osmosis, which, to be clear, text-based social media is really great for.
Come now, be honest… how much did you actually learn that way?
a lot actually. that social osmosis is exactly why if you want to run counterprop you have to set some boundaries about that fascist bullshit will not be tolerated. this constant molly coddling of fascists and normalizing them as “the real left” just poisons what the left actually is. social osmosis works through the same concert of presence and verbal confirmation. by giving fascist nonsense presence we shift what the outcome of social osmosis is when people encounter verbal confirmation in space. you’re right that people can be influenced by reading discussion, but that discussion needs to be had in good faith and in order to have good faith discussions we need to have and respect boundaries. trolls, by their nature, do not respect these boundaries. the old age addage of “block and report. do not feed the trolls” stems from this notion
I’m going to have to modify my response to you - when I posted this…
…I wasn’t actually aware that this comm has more tankie mods than leftist ones. So there’s no point to my argument, then.
…which are already in place. This is a leftist-controlled space, is it not? And the rules there on the right gives the mods more than enough leeway to keep it that way, don’t you think?
What it really comes down to, I’m beginning to think, is our willingness (or lack thereof) to engage the very people we (supposedly) want to expose to leftist thought.
That only happens when we don’t engage them by siloing ourselves into circlejerks. A good counter-narrative means absolutely nothing if it has no means of leaving said silo - we’re just chucking energy and time at the choir for absolutely zero gain.
No, it doesn’t. You need half of the discussion to be, very obviously, in bad faith. Otherwise, there’s absolutely nothing to shoot down, is there? You don’t get traction from good faith discussion - you get traction from a “bad faith” narrative being demolished with a narrative the casual observer is unlikely to have encountered before. How many movies have you seen where only two protagonists spend the entire movie being nice to each other? There’s a really good reason why they don’t make movies like that - there’d be nothing to see.
Where’s the fun in that?
the context of this entire conversation is that those rules aren’t being enforced
I guess the point is moot anyway… even my (somewhat) mild comments here have proven too much for the circlejerk.