Her response: "I find it really shameful that there’s a group of media outlets and people who are willing to spread gossip,” she said in the informal, selfie-style video where she paced along a road. “No marriage is perfect, and I don’t want a perfect marriage, I want my marriage.”
Ehh… My biggest fear with Platner isn’t the Nazi tattoo. I am willing to believe the average American is ignorant of history enough to accidentally get a Totenkopf and just think it’s some pirate shit or something.
My biggest concern is that he has a very similar background and contrarian attitude as Fetterman. Rich kid contrarians pretending to be working class should kinda raise everyone’s hackles.
Plus, the reasoning behind his political beliefs is pretty questionable. He was supposedly a protestor of the war who then joined the military to do good from the inside? Then became radicalized because of his service, but reenlisted in the marines, then again in the guard, and once more as a security contractor?
It would make more sense if he was from a working class background, some people don’t really have much opportunity and the military is their ticket out of poverty. But the guys parents sent him to a prep school that cost 70k a year. He didn’t have to go to war for college, he had options and continually chose to participate in a system he claims he hated.
I don’t think he’s going to be a worse option than Collins, but I fear there’s going to be a lot of people on the left are going to be disappointed in his tenure if he wins.
One of platners long time friends has written a book about octover 7 and israel’s respinse being good and justified, my sticking point, after the repete military service anyway. here’s the guys website https://sethfrantzman.com/
platner used to feature in photos on Frantzmans social media but they were deleted when people noticed them (there’s also a blackwater mercenary photo in the backgroun lol)
if consensual flirty messages between two adults bring this guy down i’m going to cry
I’d agree, except you never saw the Dems and Republicans go this hard against anyone apart from Mamdani, Bernie, and AOC. (Including rival Republicans.)
That tells me they know his anti-billionaire stance is legitimate.
Also the made-up scandals that keep popping up around Platner remind me very much of the swift-boating against Bernie in 2016. This shit only happens against people who are honestly willing to oppose the Epstein Class.
agree, except you never saw the Dems and Republicans go this hard against anyone apart from Mamdani, Bernie, and AOC. (Including rival Republicans.)
I don’t think that automatically means anything, especially since the things they are “going hard against” are worth some legitimate criticism.
Neither one of the parties liked fetterman until he won the primary against Conor Lamb, and even then there wasn’t really another choice for the Dems.
Also the made-up scandals that keep popping up around Platner remind me very much of the swift-boating against Bernie in 2016.
What is being fabricated? He did have a Nazi tattoo, which even if it was a mistake still deserves some criticism. If not simply for being a senatorial candidate that is ignorant of history and mindlessly picked a random tattoo. It seems he also stepped out of his marriage in some way, which does speak to his character.
It may not be worth the amount of air time they are receiving, but it’s not fabricated.
My biggest fear is that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
“The white liberal must honestly ask himself why he supported the movement in the first place. If he supported it for the right reasons, he will continue to support it in spite of the confusions of the present moment. But if he supported the movement for the wrong reasons, he will find every available excuse to withdraw from it now, and he will discover that he was inoculated with so mild a form of commitment that he was immune to the genuine moral article.”
— Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?
Did you mistake Lemmy for a mirror?
Are you one of the folks who said we shouldn’t vote for Bernie because he wrote a New York Times best seller and became a millionaire, so he’s not working class?
Haha
Not at all. I was for Bernie. He doesn’t have a Nazi tattoo, hasn’t served in the infantry, doesn’t like killing people, hasn’t had multiple deployments, nor became a mercenary. He wasn’t perfect, but he was more perfect than Platner.
"But if he supported the movement for the wrong reasons, he will find every available excuse to withdraw from it now, and he will discover that he was inoculated with so mild a form of commitment that he was immune to the genuine moral article.”
I don’t really know how you think that supports your argument? That is kinda my fear with Platner, that his service will not be true to his words, and he will fail to live up to his commitments.
That is unless that MLK quote was aimed at me? In that case… I’m not white, and I’m not a liberal.
In this metaphor the white liberal is someone who supports progressive values in theory, but when it comes time to make the change they get cold feet in favor of the status quo.
You don’t have to be white to be a white liberal. You just have to keep using disingenuous cable news talking points.
Again… This is my fear about Platner. I would love to be wrong about it. I just don’t see any evidence in his background that assuages my fears.
just have to keep using disingenuous cable news talking points.
What cable news is talking about his class history and his voluntary service to maintain the hegemony?
I mean… That’s an oddly specific fear? Besides that, am I wrong in any particular way? Is there anything that gives you confidence he is sincere in his beliefs?
I would love to be wrong about the guy, but we really don’t have anything to work with besides his history.
I’ve met plenty of vets who went left because of their time in the service, and I don’t hold that against them. I can’t say the same about a military contractor though. And most of the guys I know who went left after their service didn’t need to do multiple tours while enlisted, and then another in the guard to come up with that opinion.
I think the point is the primary is over and there is no way he will be worse than Collins. Hemming and hawing at this point just carries water for the establishment.
So the answer to my question is no, nothing I said is inaccurate. You have nothing but faith that he will live up to his commitments, or that he is genuine in any way.
Hemming and hawing at this point just carries water for the establishment.
And I’m sure you were totally reasonable about validating your faith before the primaries…
I can speak my mind whenever I want. Telling people to just operate on faith alone is how the DNC keeps getting stuck with people like simea and fetterman. Your unfounded faith deserves criticism at all times.
FYI am not OP… Just guessing at their sentiment.
Ahh, my bad.
No worries, I didn’t even realize the primary hasn’t happened yet. Like are they not going to run anyone against him now that Mills is out?
Maine primary voting date is June 9th.
My bad, they made it sound like it was over. So… is anyone running against him now? If not, why?
There are multiple people still running against him, although he is the heavy favorite and is the only one talked about by the media. I’ve seen people pushing for David Costello, who supports M4A as well as much if not all of the same progressive policies as Platner while not being 80 red flags in a trenchcoat.
TIL. I wonder why Platner is being pushed so hard. I am obviously not from the state, but him and Mills are literally the only ones the media talks about. I thought it was an oh well, gotta vote for the ex (maybe) Nazi mercenary dude because Collins votes 100% with the grand ole pedophiles anyway type of situation.
Looking into Costello, he sounds better experienced and a better pick. Although I didn’t see any stance on AIPAC, which is worrisome.
I guess the other option is to vote for the senator who has been there 29 years and spit in the face of progressive values and agenda, the working class, and supports the Israeli fascist regime and endless stupid wars.
You’re using disingenuous talking points of cable news
First of all… Did I tell anyone to vote for Collins? Are we not supposed to critically think about candidates?
Pretty sure I said " I don’t think he’s going to be a worse option than Collins, but I fear there’s going to be a lot of people on the left are going to be disappointed in his tenure if he wins."
Secondly, how is anything I said disingenuous? Besides that, nothing I said is mirroring mainstream news, who are mainly focusing on his tattoo or his infidelity, which I don’t really care about.
I’m talking about his class history.
The making of the next Manchin/Sinema/Fetterman
Factually incorrect.
The Dems played ball with those three. People just sorta pretended Manchin/Fetterman/Sinema were progressive for putting on a blue uniform.
That both Republicans and Democrats are trying to swift boat Platner lends credibility to his message as a progressive.
People just sorta pretended Manchin/Fetterman/Sinema were progressive for putting on a blue uniform.
That’s literally what you’re doing for Graham Platner.
And you pretending a guy with a Nazi tattoo who joined the army to kill people and loved his time in the infantry so much he went back is a progressive for putting on a blue uniform is materially different how?
I’d love to be wrong, but all I see at this stage is someone who learned the right words to say to get power, and I’m disappointed that: 1) people are giving him credence without regard to his past and 2) there’s no better progressive candidate without a sordid past.
We are going to find out that you’re wrong, yes. I know this because both Democrats and Republicans are in lockstep to oppose him, just like they were against Mamdani and Bernie, among others.
I don’t care that he doesn’t know anything about Nazi symbols nor his shit posting. I care that he’s going to oppose billionaires, unlike all but a handful of other Democrats.
I care about the fact that he loves blood and killing so much that, when he was done with the army, he became a fucking mercenary.
Being universally opposed doesn’t make one right, best, or good.
There’ve also been a few reports of him knowing it was a Nazi symbol years before he got it covered up.
You’re making unfounded assertions devoid of his history. I do not share your optimism.
You are pretending the political establishment politicians on both the right and the left uniting against someone isn’t the best candidate regardless.
Stop watching cable news
“The white liberal must honestly ask himself why he supported the movement in the first place. If he supported it for the right reasons, he will continue to support it in spite of the confusions of the present moment. But if he supported the movement for the wrong reasons, he will find every available excuse to withdraw from it now, and he will discover that he was inoculated with so mild a form of commitment that he was immune to the genuine moral article.”
— Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?
Not sure why you’ve spammed that MLK Jr. quote across this thread as it really doesn’t seem to apply.
Firstly you are assuming (or worse projecting) the identity of your interlocutors. Secondly “support of the movement” doesn’t mean blindly following anyone that claims to walk with you despite historical evidence that they do not. Similarly critiquing the very real failures of a candidate with no track record of support is not “finding every available excuse.” We should critique all our leaders because we want both for them to improve and to foster others to be better. Following based on lip service alone is some misguided messianic practice, and Platner ain’t no messiah.
This disingenuous injection of MLK Jr’s words feels no better than the right’s jingoistic quote mining as an attempt to produce a diverse authority that agrees with them.
I highly doubt MLK Jr. would be in favor of a white boy with a Nazi tattoo who served multiple tours and signed up as a mercenary because he liked killing so much.
You are pretending the political establishment politicians on both the right and the left uniting against someone isn’t the best candidate regardless.
I think he’s better than Collins. I don’t think he’s a good candidate in the field of all possible candidates that could (but aren’t) run.
Furthermore being universally opposed doesn’t make one right, best, or good.
Stop watching cable news
I don’t watch cable news.
This guy absolutely doesn’t remember the 2016 republican primary where the GOP establishment was in universal opposition to Trump but couldn’t convince enough of the lifetime careerists running against him to exit the clown car.
The DNC only played ball with Fetterman after he won his primary against Conor Lamb, who was who they were initially backing. They’re going to do the same with Platner against Collins, it’s not like they really have a choice.
The DNC “swiftboating” him in his primary doesn’t do anything but tell us he doesn’t have connections with the DNC establishment, which could be good or bad. There is nothing in politics that lends credibility to a politician but their prior actions.
The latest in attempted swift boating against Graham Platner.
But remember the real enemy here: the billionaires and their sycophants, who’d rather see a fascist elected than someone who’s willing to make a vote in favor of taxing the billionaires and helping to ensure that poor and working class Americans can actually survive.
I’ve spoken to Graham Planter in the chapo patreon chat, dude has such a big ego he literally sent a picture of himself. He isn’t a genuine guy and is one of the millionaires who you consider to be a class enemy. He’s just clever enough to use the right rhetoric if you think a war criminal who joined the army because he wants to kill people is a leftist idk what to tell you. He’s also a fascist wolf in sheep’s clothing he just has better messaging for the rubes.
You sound like a white liberal
“The white liberal must honestly ask himself why he supported the movement in the first place. If he supported it for the right reasons, he will continue to support it in spite of the confusions of the present moment. But if he supported the movement for the wrong reasons, he will find every available excuse to withdraw from it now, and he will discover that he was inoculated with so mild a form of commitment that he was immune to the genuine moral article.”
— Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?
Sure thing, friend.
Have a great day.
Lol Americans will literally be the death of the world and are responsible for ruining the left. Fuck I don’t even live in the USA and we already have your fake leftist bullshit invading spaces here.
Why would I lie to you about what I said? Who do you think has more incentive to lie, the Nazi running for a cushy life long job, or me?
Yeah, I feel like it’s pretty clear that this guy is the next John Fetterman.
I’m so sick if hearing, “yes, he served in Iraq, yes he voluntarily went back as a private contractor for Blackwater, yes he did have a Nazi tattoo, and yes he made bunch of reactionary comments on Reddit after all of that… BUT we should unconditionally support him because he knows how to say the right thing sometimes.”
The person he’s running against is worse, but at least we know where they stand. We can run a proper candidate and beat them next time. It’s these “leftists” who know how to emulate the working man aesthetic that are truly ruining progress.
Every thread about this guy is gonna be a slap fight and that’s exactly what I hate about politics.
“yeah I let my husband hit a girlie now and then on the sly, why the hell not? I know he wraps it up and is coming home, and it’s hot. Besides, you won’t feel bad for me when you meet my girlfriend”
Why can’t we have that?
You’re ridiculous.
But the billionaires surely appreciate you.
?
I’m trans and poly they hate my ass.
