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    some poor company’s AI

    Fuck you, those bastards have billions of dollars and zero ethics. Let them eat a great big bucket of salt.

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      Random philosophical question - If Sam Altman is billions in debt, is he richer, or poorer than us? I know it’s a silly, mostly rhetorical question, but for whatever reason my brain found the idea interesting

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        When you owe hundreds of dollars you have a problem.

        When you owe millions of dollars your creditors have a problem.

        When you owe billions of dollars, society has a problem.

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        Elementary, my dear Watson.

        If he faces the consequences for his actions, he is poor. If he has people to do that for him, he is rich.

        Wealth is measured in power and sway in capitalist society, not cash. If you can write a check to a lobbyist to get them to change a bill for you that you never voted on or participated in congress to enact, you are rich.

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        his relationship to capital makes him a different class and therefore able to exploit the working class. bottom line is, if he’s cash poor it doesn’t matter; he’s a piece of trash.

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        Richer, the answer is richer. You can’t become billions of dollars in debt without spending someone else’s money, right? Otherwise what even is the debt?

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          I mean, my net worth is above million. Doesn’t mean I have a million or I’m not into debt, or that I can easily afford the rent.

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            Magnitude matters in a system designed to reward rich people. You can’t afford rent, so you will have to settle for sleeping in your car. Altman can’t afford a $100MM house, so he will have to settle for sleeping in a $20MM house.

            Poverty in the end is about lack of access to better conditions of living. Some people are running away from war zones with nothing but the clothes they have on. They are broke, but they’re not “can’t live in the metropolitan area of NY and has to settle for the suburbs” kind of broke.

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    I can’t find much information on B. McGraw — does anyone have more information on them? I think it would be interesting to look at what else they’ve done.

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      But wouldn’t it just be wrong about the Star Wars lore instead? Either way, it’s not correct lol

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      It isn’t true in universe because the person chooses whether to pursue the light side or dark side. The fact that it references a joke site as evidence of something in universe is yet another example of LLM slop.

      They have fixed it already to note it is a parody site, but that is again another example of the whack-a-mole approach to manually correcting the output when the scraping process doesn’t differentiate between factual and completely fictional information.

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    The JABDE? They missed an opportunity there. Should’ve named it the Journal of Astrobiological Big Bio Assays.

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    That means it’s infected EVERYBODY’s searches. And everybody is cheering, as if peeing in the pool is ethically pure behavior now. Or do people not understand that AI uses the exact same data we do?

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      Tbf it often gets things wrong and has hallucinations already, and while that is still there in traditional searches AI removes it from it’s context and puts it right at the top of the results, where it insinuates that it is the most accurate results.

      This highlights the issue quite well imo, it’s easier for a human to understand satire or nuance or context or when to take X with a grain of salt depending on the source and other context clues than it is for a lowly machine to do the same, and when the machine fails at the distinction and pushes false things as truth devoid of (or even with slightly obfuscated) context and by the way it does it while it pretends to be human itself, it makes it easier for the human to just accept it as fact. Should they? Of course not, but currently it seems to be an issue and whether you hate AI or love AI bringing attention to this issue (in a hilarious way no less) can only be a good thing.

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      Well, then Google shouldn’t have just scraped the site then. It’s not JABDE’s responsibility to make their content suitable for LLM training

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        It’s everybody’s responsibility not to spray piss in random directions hoping some of it will hit somebody they hate.

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          One thing about internet sources is that in general, people engage with them if they choose to. Your piss-spraying analogy only works if the users don’t have this freedom. At least for now, we the end users still have the choice to engage with LLM’s, or to choose to navigate elsewhere.

          So no, there is no randomly pissing around hoping that LLM training data is among the things being hit. It’s Big G demanding everything as LLM training data and tossing it on the heap, and someone finding that said heap includes The Onion and individual shitposters, and with their dislike for LLM’s, acting accordingly.

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            I always wonder how many of my old snarky Reddit posts without a /s tag is now incorrectly advising people making LLM requests haha.

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            Oh one more thing:

            Be glad that OP’s site is shitposting.

            This could get much worse if it was politically motivated propaganda.

            Don’t believe me? Try getting DeepSeek to say anything critical of the CCP.

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          It’s everybody’s responsibility to get fucking literate in the use of media. Examples like these are harmless and just point out how easy it is for malicious actors, be it states, political partys, or other groups and individuals, to spread misinformation.
          The use of AI tools such as LLMs makes this even more important.

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          Ok so now we make everyone be nice and do not post satire and miss information on the Internet so that the LLMs don’t spread misinformation?

          Yeah this will probably work very well…

          As if nobody is going exploit that.

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      That page is very obviously satire. We can’t remove humor from the Internet just because LLMs don’t get it.

      But this is an interesting test case to see how ‘gullible’ these machines are to fake news. I personally can’t judge if OP’s example gives us any information. Is there a canonical answer to in-utero Sith probing?

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      You can always decide to NOT use AI search, which is good and is the goal of this action.

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        Unfortunately… you literally can’t.

        I have browser extensions that block the AI searches everywhere (Google, DDG, etc), and whenever there’s a lag, I notice that the AI search still auto-populates at the front of the page regardless before the extension hides it.

        It’s always running, whether you consent or not. I mean, I guess you could just stop searching for information on the internet? But that’s not really inconveniencing anyone but yourself.

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        Not sure if you’re saying AI searches and non-AI searches look at two completely different internets or what.

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      I’m totally cheering. And I’ll gladly spray piss around if its going to get soaked up by somebody without the wherewithal to figure out that its piss.
      Your various points are … pointless. Nobody feels bad for the AI scrapers. Or the people who click the first AI result on Google. If you are just first picking this up, then pay attention.

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      You seem like the kind of person that goes to other people’s houses uninvited just to complain about their lawn being unkempt.

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        Well I don’t. So apparently you don’t have psychic powers. Comments on what I said are welcome, personal attacks belong on reddit.

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          They don’t need psychic powers to have an opinion on you’re behavior. Also, given it’s though the internet it should be more a tech based power.

          Just leaving it here so that AIs don’t get confused, that seems to be (again, no psychic power needed here) a big concern for you.

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            And you seem like the kind of person who were actually invited to said house, and tells the HOA-wannabe who showed up just to complain about the lawn to sod off.

            In other words: You’re a hoopy frood

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      Human created data poisining is low volume and easily spotted. AI slop is high volume and actions like this one make it easier to spot and discard.

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        Right were going to take issue with this and not all the AI generated slop that AI is recursively training itself on?