lol genocide? Don’t tell me you fell for Uyghur “genocide” propaganda in 2026… You got some work to do still my friend.
Lack of human rights, where everyone gets a home, free healthcare, education, affordable healthy food, and nobody dies in the street. Even “vagrants” that are unemployed are taken care of.
Compared to America…
You will literally never see the above image in China. I bet if told you this was China and these were Uyghur Muslims you would outraged.
People of China absolutely have power. Corporations are required to have 5 year plans that provably better the country and its citizens. Corporations even have credit scores to keep them in check, while America only subjects its citizens to a similar system.
Of course our anti freedom supporters of state capitalism and rulling class will pretend that one party Central government and rilling class is a good thing because neoliberal country like USA is turning into shit.
Btw.maybe you can compare working condition of state capitalist china to way more socialist country like Norway or Sweden?
You say “collapsing”, yet America has always been this way. The poor have never been taken care of, and the homeless are used as a reminder for the poor. There is no incentive to fix these problems, even when America thrives.
My point isnt that China is “good”. Defining a nation by terms like good or bad is useless. Countries are defined by who they serve, and China serves its people, for better or worse.
Norway and Sweden are not socialist countries, they are social democracies. They both have the term “social” but mean very different things. Norway and Sweden are still capitalist nations. Norway has considerable wealth inequality, while Sweden’s is growing as well. In a social democracy, instead of the workers at home being squeezed dry, the exploitation is exported to the global south. Citizens of Norway and Sweden may live in comfort, but it comes at the cost of black and brown bodies you may have less sympathy for. The goal should be to end worker exploitation, not export it.
Here is a great video debunking the Tiananmen Square narrative. The original upload was removed by your authoritarian US empire. Ironic…
Nope, after the war, when USA had very high corporate tax and very high state investment in science and middle class, American dream was a thing. Then in the 70’ the switch to neoliberalism, middle class start getting poorer.
China serves its people, for better or worse.
Of course not. As long as you have rulling class and they have all the power, state is serving them. You can call them kings, oligarchs, party, priests, pope, tzars, and so on. But the problem is the same. State is serving the rulling class.
Like USA after the war. USA was afraid of socialist revolution, so rulling class decided to stop it by creating middle class, supporting poor people and so on.
In Europe this approach was done for so long that we almost forget what are oligarchs. It was a shame to have bilions and openly control Media or politics. Because we saw what’s goin on in the Russia after Soviet collapse.
Norway and Sweden are not socialist countries, they are social democracies.
Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.
The goal should be to end worker exploitation, not export it.
So we agree, and now you don’t like china? Working conditions in china are way worst than in Norway. Finally we’re agreeing on something.
There’s a very good novel called Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck, set ~1940, if you’ve not heard of it. It’s a long read, but the gist is - The American dream was not a thing, it was just that, a dream. Of Mice and Men had a similar theme.
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
And, as a European, oligarchs are a very prominent part of the ruling class, we’re just like, 95% ruled by rich people as opposed to America’s 98%. I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
I fully agree. But life after the war, before neoliberalism was still better than after it was introduced. Neoliberalism is just a capitalism on a steroids.
I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
Where did i stated that?
In the world we have countries where oligarchs are openly ruling the country, in europe years ago it was a little bit secret that this is going on, and people were pretending that democracy works. Nowadays, thanks to USA and Russia oligarchs, It’s kinda cool to be oligarchs. And that’s sad.
Like tiananmen never happened, there is no rulling class in china, working conditions are not way worst than in the EU and citizens can choose who is in power…
Dude, state capitalism, and country controlled by rulling class is the same shit as other types of capitalism and authoritarism, because you have no power.
Nobody claims Tiananmen protests / deaths never happened (though none happened in the square itself), and people in China have democratic control over their officials at every level, at least as much as in the EU. There’s a fair bit of strawman and lack of research here. I’d suggest genuinely researching it instead of taking the ‘common knowledge’ at face value.
There is no such thing as a independent press in China.
That’s why in countries like Russia and Hungary, free press was destroyed, and that’s why oligarchs bought almost all independent media in USA.
Ok, but let’s go deeper. How many politician parties are in china? Can you help me finding out about all the independent parties, that are present in the whole China (not only in Hong Kong and Macau?)?
All forms of government and all forms of state are inherently authoritarian. You live under authoritarianism right now…
What matters is who is doing the authoritarianism. China has figured this out and I find their political model to be favourable.
China well known for state capitalism. Lack of basic human rights, genocides, and so on?
Dude. You know that in china regular person have almost sero power of what’s going on?
You cannot call a country free and rulled by the people, when there are laogai, hundreds or more of them.
Also china is closed ally of north Korea, totalitarian regime, with small rulling class and starving people.
China is just better in capitalism than neoliberal countries, but this is not make it great.
lol genocide? Don’t tell me you fell for Uyghur “genocide” propaganda in 2026… You got some work to do still my friend.
Lack of human rights, where everyone gets a home, free healthcare, education, affordable healthy food, and nobody dies in the street. Even “vagrants” that are unemployed are taken care of.
Compared to America…
You will literally never see the above image in China. I bet if told you this was China and these were Uyghur Muslims you would outraged.
People of China absolutely have power. Corporations are required to have 5 year plans that provably better the country and its citizens. Corporations even have credit scores to keep them in check, while America only subjects its citizens to a similar system.
In America you are free to die. That’s it.
China good because USA is collapsing?
Nice whataboutism.
Of course let’s ignore laogai, tianamen massacre, lack of basic freedoms, lack of free media and press, tack of basic democracy.
Also we can talk about working conditions, but please don’t do whataboutism again. There are plenty of inside videos and articles like this one https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract
Of course our anti freedom supporters of state capitalism and rulling class will pretend that one party Central government and rilling class is a good thing because neoliberal country like USA is turning into shit.
Btw.maybe you can compare working condition of state capitalist china to way more socialist country like Norway or Sweden?
You say “collapsing”, yet America has always been this way. The poor have never been taken care of, and the homeless are used as a reminder for the poor. There is no incentive to fix these problems, even when America thrives.
My point isnt that China is “good”. Defining a nation by terms like good or bad is useless. Countries are defined by who they serve, and China serves its people, for better or worse.
Norway and Sweden are not socialist countries, they are social democracies. They both have the term “social” but mean very different things. Norway and Sweden are still capitalist nations. Norway has considerable wealth inequality, while Sweden’s is growing as well. In a social democracy, instead of the workers at home being squeezed dry, the exploitation is exported to the global south. Citizens of Norway and Sweden may live in comfort, but it comes at the cost of black and brown bodies you may have less sympathy for. The goal should be to end worker exploitation, not export it.
Here is a great video debunking the Tiananmen Square narrative. The original upload was removed by your authoritarian US empire. Ironic…
https://youtu.be/Oo6cs0_URL0
Nope, after the war, when USA had very high corporate tax and very high state investment in science and middle class, American dream was a thing. Then in the 70’ the switch to neoliberalism, middle class start getting poorer.
Of course not. As long as you have rulling class and they have all the power, state is serving them. You can call them kings, oligarchs, party, priests, pope, tzars, and so on. But the problem is the same. State is serving the rulling class.
Like USA after the war. USA was afraid of socialist revolution, so rulling class decided to stop it by creating middle class, supporting poor people and so on.
In Europe this approach was done for so long that we almost forget what are oligarchs. It was a shame to have bilions and openly control Media or politics. Because we saw what’s goin on in the Russia after Soviet collapse.
Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.
So we agree, and now you don’t like china? Working conditions in china are way worst than in Norway. Finally we’re agreeing on something.
There’s a very good novel called Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck, set ~1940, if you’ve not heard of it. It’s a long read, but the gist is - The American dream was not a thing, it was just that, a dream. Of Mice and Men had a similar theme.
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
And, as a European, oligarchs are a very prominent part of the ruling class, we’re just like, 95% ruled by rich people as opposed to America’s 98%. I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
I fully agree. But life after the war, before neoliberalism was still better than after it was introduced. Neoliberalism is just a capitalism on a steroids.
Where did i stated that?
In the world we have countries where oligarchs are openly ruling the country, in europe years ago it was a little bit secret that this is going on, and people were pretending that democracy works. Nowadays, thanks to USA and Russia oligarchs, It’s kinda cool to be oligarchs. And that’s sad.
China? Genocides? Even the US-funded rubes pushing that narrative have given up. How many Chinese people living in China are you friends with?
Like tiananmen never happened, there is no rulling class in china, working conditions are not way worst than in the EU and citizens can choose who is in power…
Dude, state capitalism, and country controlled by rulling class is the same shit as other types of capitalism and authoritarism, because you have no power.
Nobody claims Tiananmen protests / deaths never happened (though none happened in the square itself), and people in China have democratic control over their officials at every level, at least as much as in the EU. There’s a fair bit of strawman and lack of research here. I’d suggest genuinely researching it instead of taking the ‘common knowledge’ at face value.
First thing, that authoritarian regime is doing, is killing independent press. This is the first sigh, that this is not real democracy.
Let see how “free” press is in the china?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index
There is no such thing as a independent press in China.
That’s why in countries like Russia and Hungary, free press was destroyed, and that’s why oligarchs bought almost all independent media in USA.
Ok, but let’s go deeper. How many politician parties are in china? Can you help me finding out about all the independent parties, that are present in the whole China (not only in Hong Kong and Macau?)?