Of course our anti freedom supporters of state capitalism and rulling class will pretend that one party Central government and rilling class is a good thing because neoliberal country like USA is turning into shit.
Btw.maybe you can compare working condition of state capitalist china to way more socialist country like Norway or Sweden?
You say “collapsing”, yet America has always been this way. The poor have never been taken care of, and the homeless are used as a reminder for the poor. There is no incentive to fix these problems, even when America thrives.
My point isnt that China is “good”. Defining a nation by terms like good or bad is useless. Countries are defined by who they serve, and China serves its people, for better or worse.
Norway and Sweden are not socialist countries, they are social democracies. They both have the term “social” but mean very different things. Norway and Sweden are still capitalist nations. Norway has considerable wealth inequality, while Sweden’s is growing as well. In a social democracy, instead of the workers at home being squeezed dry, the exploitation is exported to the global south. Citizens of Norway and Sweden may live in comfort, but it comes at the cost of black and brown bodies you may have less sympathy for. The goal should be to end worker exploitation, not export it.
Here is a great video debunking the Tiananmen Square narrative. The original upload was removed by your authoritarian US empire. Ironic…
Nope, after the war, when USA had very high corporate tax and very high state investment in science and middle class, American dream was a thing. Then in the 70’ the switch to neoliberalism, middle class start getting poorer.
China serves its people, for better or worse.
Of course not. As long as you have rulling class and they have all the power, state is serving them. You can call them kings, oligarchs, party, priests, pope, tzars, and so on. But the problem is the same. State is serving the rulling class.
Like USA after the war. USA was afraid of socialist revolution, so rulling class decided to stop it by creating middle class, supporting poor people and so on.
In Europe this approach was done for so long that we almost forget what are oligarchs. It was a shame to have bilions and openly control Media or politics. Because we saw what’s goin on in the Russia after Soviet collapse.
Norway and Sweden are not socialist countries, they are social democracies.
Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.
The goal should be to end worker exploitation, not export it.
So we agree, and now you don’t like china? Working conditions in china are way worst than in Norway. Finally we’re agreeing on something.
There’s a very good novel called Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck, set ~1940, if you’ve not heard of it. It’s a long read, but the gist is - The American dream was not a thing, it was just that, a dream. Of Mice and Men had a similar theme.
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
And, as a European, oligarchs are a very prominent part of the ruling class, we’re just like, 95% ruled by rich people as opposed to America’s 98%. I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
I fully agree. But life after the war, before neoliberalism was still better than after it was introduced. Neoliberalism is just a capitalism on a steroids.
I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
Where did i stated that?
In the world we have countries where oligarchs are openly ruling the country, in europe years ago it was a little bit secret that this is going on, and people were pretending that democracy works. Nowadays, thanks to USA and Russia oligarchs, It’s kinda cool to be oligarchs. And that’s sad.
China good because USA is collapsing?
Nice whataboutism.
Of course let’s ignore laogai, tianamen massacre, lack of basic freedoms, lack of free media and press, tack of basic democracy.
Also we can talk about working conditions, but please don’t do whataboutism again. There are plenty of inside videos and articles like this one https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract
Of course our anti freedom supporters of state capitalism and rulling class will pretend that one party Central government and rilling class is a good thing because neoliberal country like USA is turning into shit.
Btw.maybe you can compare working condition of state capitalist china to way more socialist country like Norway or Sweden?
You say “collapsing”, yet America has always been this way. The poor have never been taken care of, and the homeless are used as a reminder for the poor. There is no incentive to fix these problems, even when America thrives.
My point isnt that China is “good”. Defining a nation by terms like good or bad is useless. Countries are defined by who they serve, and China serves its people, for better or worse.
Norway and Sweden are not socialist countries, they are social democracies. They both have the term “social” but mean very different things. Norway and Sweden are still capitalist nations. Norway has considerable wealth inequality, while Sweden’s is growing as well. In a social democracy, instead of the workers at home being squeezed dry, the exploitation is exported to the global south. Citizens of Norway and Sweden may live in comfort, but it comes at the cost of black and brown bodies you may have less sympathy for. The goal should be to end worker exploitation, not export it.
Here is a great video debunking the Tiananmen Square narrative. The original upload was removed by your authoritarian US empire. Ironic…
https://youtu.be/Oo6cs0_URL0
Nope, after the war, when USA had very high corporate tax and very high state investment in science and middle class, American dream was a thing. Then in the 70’ the switch to neoliberalism, middle class start getting poorer.
Of course not. As long as you have rulling class and they have all the power, state is serving them. You can call them kings, oligarchs, party, priests, pope, tzars, and so on. But the problem is the same. State is serving the rulling class.
Like USA after the war. USA was afraid of socialist revolution, so rulling class decided to stop it by creating middle class, supporting poor people and so on.
In Europe this approach was done for so long that we almost forget what are oligarchs. It was a shame to have bilions and openly control Media or politics. Because we saw what’s goin on in the Russia after Soviet collapse.
Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.
So we agree, and now you don’t like china? Working conditions in china are way worst than in Norway. Finally we’re agreeing on something.
There’s a very good novel called Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck, set ~1940, if you’ve not heard of it. It’s a long read, but the gist is - The American dream was not a thing, it was just that, a dream. Of Mice and Men had a similar theme.
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
And, as a European, oligarchs are a very prominent part of the ruling class, we’re just like, 95% ruled by rich people as opposed to America’s 98%. I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
I fully agree. But life after the war, before neoliberalism was still better than after it was introduced. Neoliberalism is just a capitalism on a steroids.
Where did i stated that?
In the world we have countries where oligarchs are openly ruling the country, in europe years ago it was a little bit secret that this is going on, and people were pretending that democracy works. Nowadays, thanks to USA and Russia oligarchs, It’s kinda cool to be oligarchs. And that’s sad.