Nope, after the war, when USA had very high corporate tax and very high state investment in science and middle class, American dream was a thing. Then in the 70’ the switch to neoliberalism, middle class start getting poorer.
China serves its people, for better or worse.
Of course not. As long as you have rulling class and they have all the power, state is serving them. You can call them kings, oligarchs, party, priests, pope, tzars, and so on. But the problem is the same. State is serving the rulling class.
Like USA after the war. USA was afraid of socialist revolution, so rulling class decided to stop it by creating middle class, supporting poor people and so on.
In Europe this approach was done for so long that we almost forget what are oligarchs. It was a shame to have bilions and openly control Media or politics. Because we saw what’s goin on in the Russia after Soviet collapse.
Norway and Sweden are not socialist countries, they are social democracies.
Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.
The goal should be to end worker exploitation, not export it.
So we agree, and now you don’t like china? Working conditions in china are way worst than in Norway. Finally we’re agreeing on something.
There’s a very good novel called Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck, set ~1940, if you’ve not heard of it. It’s a long read, but the gist is - The American dream was not a thing, it was just that, a dream. Of Mice and Men had a similar theme.
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
And, as a European, oligarchs are a very prominent part of the ruling class, we’re just like, 95% ruled by rich people as opposed to America’s 98%. I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
I fully agree. But life after the war, before neoliberalism was still better than after it was introduced. Neoliberalism is just a capitalism on a steroids.
I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
Where did i stated that?
In the world we have countries where oligarchs are openly ruling the country, in europe years ago it was a little bit secret that this is going on, and people were pretending that democracy works. Nowadays, thanks to USA and Russia oligarchs, It’s kinda cool to be oligarchs. And that’s sad.
Nope, after the war, when USA had very high corporate tax and very high state investment in science and middle class, American dream was a thing. Then in the 70’ the switch to neoliberalism, middle class start getting poorer.
Of course not. As long as you have rulling class and they have all the power, state is serving them. You can call them kings, oligarchs, party, priests, pope, tzars, and so on. But the problem is the same. State is serving the rulling class.
Like USA after the war. USA was afraid of socialist revolution, so rulling class decided to stop it by creating middle class, supporting poor people and so on.
In Europe this approach was done for so long that we almost forget what are oligarchs. It was a shame to have bilions and openly control Media or politics. Because we saw what’s goin on in the Russia after Soviet collapse.
Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.
So we agree, and now you don’t like china? Working conditions in china are way worst than in Norway. Finally we’re agreeing on something.
There’s a very good novel called Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck, set ~1940, if you’ve not heard of it. It’s a long read, but the gist is - The American dream was not a thing, it was just that, a dream. Of Mice and Men had a similar theme.
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
And, as a European, oligarchs are a very prominent part of the ruling class, we’re just like, 95% ruled by rich people as opposed to America’s 98%. I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
I fully agree. But life after the war, before neoliberalism was still better than after it was introduced. Neoliberalism is just a capitalism on a steroids.
Where did i stated that?
In the world we have countries where oligarchs are openly ruling the country, in europe years ago it was a little bit secret that this is going on, and people were pretending that democracy works. Nowadays, thanks to USA and Russia oligarchs, It’s kinda cool to be oligarchs. And that’s sad.