Oligarchs are the problem. They are creating the system, where small group of people have all the power.
If you look in to the history, it was always like that. They would change the name of the system, but it works the same way. From monarchy to religious regimes, from capitalism to other authoritarian regimes. From time to time they will use left wing slogans i.e. Nazis was pretending to be socialists.
Look where’s the power. Who has it. If it’s in a hands of a small group, you’re fucked.
Authoritarianism of the proletariat is required. It sucks and would be cool if it could be done peacefully, but that is how you deal with oligarchs. Re-education centers for the reactionary masses, and the chopping block for the oligarchs.
Keep waiting for your perfect moral socialism while they slowly kill us all…
And then the most psychopathic and power hungry individuals get filtered to the top of that authoritarian structure and whoops you’ve got a political ruling class who control everything and have no interest to relinquish their power. Totalitarian state capitalism à la Stalin.
I’m not saying that you can’t break a few eggs for the omelette, but you absolutely need to keep things decentralized and democratic. The alternative sets the stage for failure. The “dictatorship of the proletariat” shouldn’t be a literal dictatorship as in rule by the few.
I used to be afraid of the “authoritarianism”, but all socialists need to realize the class war is a real war being waged, a war between the people and the most advanced and all-encompassing enemy in history. We must have a serious and disciplined response and it requires organization like that of an army. Is it authoritarian to follow the commands of your captain when you are in battle? Maybe it is, but without this coordination and discipline we will be destroyed.
You can have a strong military response without authoritarianism. The Anarchist military during the Spanish civil war were formed from the bottom up: a group of soldiers elect their commander, those commanders collectively elect their general, etc, with any of those positions of authority able to be recalled by a vote (outside of battle) at any time if those elected positions weren’t fulfilling their duties adequately.
This structure was doubted and questioned at the time by a military advisor to Durruti (an important Anarchist figure):
One day Pérez Farràs stated his criticisms to Durruti directly: “You can’t fight like that,” he declared. In reply, Durruti said:
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: I’ve been an anarchist my whole life and the fact that I’m responsible for this human collectivity won’t change my convictions. It was as an anarchist that I agreed to carry out the task that the Central Committee of Anti-Fascist Militias entrusted to me.
I don’t believe—and everything happening around us confirms this— that you can run a workers’ militia according to classical military rules. I believe that discipline, coordination, and planning are indispensable, but we shouldn’t define them in the terms of the world that we’re destroying. We have to build on new foundations. My comrades and I are convinced that solidarity is the best incentive for arousing individual responsibility and a willingness to accept discipline as an act of self-discipline.
War has been imposed upon us and this battle will be different than those we’ve fought in Barcelona, but our goal is revolutionary victory. This means defeating the enemy, but also a radical change in men. For that change to occur, man must learn to live and conduct himself as a free man, an apprenticeship that develops his personality and sense of responsibility, his capacity to be master of his own acts. The worker on the job not only transforms the material on which he works, but also transforms himself through that work. The combatant is nothing more than a worker whose tool is a rifle—and he should strive toward the same objective as the worker. One can’t behave like an obedient soldier, but as a conscious man who understands the importance of what he’s doing. I know that it’s not easy to achieve this, but I also know that what can’t be accomplished with reason will not be obtained by force. If we have to sustain our military apparatus with fear, then we won’t have changed anything except the color of the fear. It’s only by freeing itself from fear that society can build itself in freedom.
That structure worked very well from all the historical evidence we have, and they were effectively able to fight the fascists with very few resources, until the combined weight of the stalinist’s betrayal and Franco getting constant supplies from Hitler and Mussolini became too much to bear from a logistical point of view.
. Is it authoritarian to follow the commands of your captain when you are in battle?
If your whole life is a war, and you’re living in military state, then sorry, but you’re already in a way worst scenario than you think. Look at weird paramilitary groups that are using kids as a army, brainwashing is strong and they are saying what you said.
This is the problem with authoritarian stare. It steals your humanity and freedom, it thinks for you, and it control’s you. It doesn’t matter if you’re slave of rulling class in capitalist stare or slave of rulling class in whatever you’re referring to. It’s the same state but with different flags and slogans.
It’s not the same as being in the trenches under fire, but the class war is waged with violence and has casualties and deaths, front lines and such. Seeing it as a war isn’t a choice to live in a military state, you feel it when you are working class trying to live and the rich are doing their best to let you die. The class war does steal your humanity and control you, taking a militant stance against it is meeting the opposition as they are. They use militarized police and all the means of psychological war to fight against the poor.
I’m not saying it’s necessary to subsume your individuality to the will of your leaders and forget autonomy or follow anything with blind obedience, just that what some call authoritarian I have come to see as potentially necessary steps to take when fighting such a ruthless enemy.
How you want to choose your new leaders, how do you want to make decisions? There’s not a lot of freedom in authoritarian.
If through the democracy, voting, discussions, then you system is opposite of authoritarian, it’s a direct democracy and it’s somewhere in the anarchy, syndicalism area (I like that idea).
If power will be given to group of people, how you want to choose them, how you want to take power from them after some time. Power corrupt people, and this is leading to authoritarian state.
And giving a lot of power to group of people creates new rulling class. How do you want to prevent it?
lol genocide? Don’t tell me you fell for Uyghur “genocide” propaganda in 2026… You got some work to do still my friend.
Lack of human rights, where everyone gets a home, free healthcare, education, affordable healthy food, and nobody dies in the street. Even “vagrants” that are unemployed are taken care of.
Compared to America…
You will literally never see the above image in China. I bet if told you this was China and these were Uyghur Muslims you would outraged.
People of China absolutely have power. Corporations are required to have 5 year plans that provably better the country and its citizens. Corporations even have credit scores to keep them in check, while America only subjects its citizens to a similar system.
Of course our anti freedom supporters of state capitalism and rulling class will pretend that one party Central government and rilling class is a good thing because neoliberal country like USA is turning into shit.
Btw.maybe you can compare working condition of state capitalist china to way more socialist country like Norway or Sweden?
Like tiananmen never happened, there is no rulling class in china, working conditions are not way worst than in the EU and citizens can choose who is in power…
Dude, state capitalism, and country controlled by rulling class is the same shit as other types of capitalism and authoritarism, because you have no power.
Oligarchs are the problem. They are creating the system, where small group of people have all the power.
If you look in to the history, it was always like that. They would change the name of the system, but it works the same way. From monarchy to religious regimes, from capitalism to other authoritarian regimes. From time to time they will use left wing slogans i.e. Nazis was pretending to be socialists.
Look where’s the power. Who has it. If it’s in a hands of a small group, you’re fucked.
Socialism solves all of that.
How we can get there? How we can create true socialist country, without oligarchs, state capitalism or authoritarian emperor?
The Anarchists of Catalonia during the Civil war were successfully able to avoid authoritarianism.
Anarchism is the only ideology that is truly resistant to dictatorship in the long term.
I agree, there are examples in history, how by fighting authoritarianism and the state, by giving people the power, we can solve these problems.
Too bad that then the country becomes target for authoritarian regimes and capitalist states.
Authoritarianism of the proletariat is required. It sucks and would be cool if it could be done peacefully, but that is how you deal with oligarchs. Re-education centers for the reactionary masses, and the chopping block for the oligarchs.
Keep waiting for your perfect moral socialism while they slowly kill us all…
And then the most psychopathic and power hungry individuals get filtered to the top of that authoritarian structure and whoops you’ve got a political ruling class who control everything and have no interest to relinquish their power. Totalitarian state capitalism à la Stalin.
I’m not saying that you can’t break a few eggs for the omelette, but you absolutely need to keep things decentralized and democratic. The alternative sets the stage for failure. The “dictatorship of the proletariat” shouldn’t be a literal dictatorship as in rule by the few.
Sorry, but those landlords deserved what they got.
I used to be afraid of the “authoritarianism”, but all socialists need to realize the class war is a real war being waged, a war between the people and the most advanced and all-encompassing enemy in history. We must have a serious and disciplined response and it requires organization like that of an army. Is it authoritarian to follow the commands of your captain when you are in battle? Maybe it is, but without this coordination and discipline we will be destroyed.
You can have a strong military response without authoritarianism. The Anarchist military during the Spanish civil war were formed from the bottom up: a group of soldiers elect their commander, those commanders collectively elect their general, etc, with any of those positions of authority able to be recalled by a vote (outside of battle) at any time if those elected positions weren’t fulfilling their duties adequately.
This structure was doubted and questioned at the time by a military advisor to Durruti (an important Anarchist figure):
Source of that qoute.
That structure worked very well from all the historical evidence we have, and they were effectively able to fight the fascists with very few resources, until the combined weight of the stalinist’s betrayal and Franco getting constant supplies from Hitler and Mussolini became too much to bear from a logistical point of view.
If your whole life is a war, and you’re living in military state, then sorry, but you’re already in a way worst scenario than you think. Look at weird paramilitary groups that are using kids as a army, brainwashing is strong and they are saying what you said.
This is the problem with authoritarian stare. It steals your humanity and freedom, it thinks for you, and it control’s you. It doesn’t matter if you’re slave of rulling class in capitalist stare or slave of rulling class in whatever you’re referring to. It’s the same state but with different flags and slogans.
It’s not the same as being in the trenches under fire, but the class war is waged with violence and has casualties and deaths, front lines and such. Seeing it as a war isn’t a choice to live in a military state, you feel it when you are working class trying to live and the rich are doing their best to let you die. The class war does steal your humanity and control you, taking a militant stance against it is meeting the opposition as they are. They use militarized police and all the means of psychological war to fight against the poor.
I’m not saying it’s necessary to subsume your individuality to the will of your leaders and forget autonomy or follow anything with blind obedience, just that what some call authoritarian I have come to see as potentially necessary steps to take when fighting such a ruthless enemy.
How you want to choose your new leaders, how do you want to make decisions? There’s not a lot of freedom in authoritarian.
If through the democracy, voting, discussions, then you system is opposite of authoritarian, it’s a direct democracy and it’s somewhere in the anarchy, syndicalism area (I like that idea).
If power will be given to group of people, how you want to choose them, how you want to take power from them after some time. Power corrupt people, and this is leading to authoritarian state.
And giving a lot of power to group of people creates new rulling class. How do you want to prevent it?
All forms of government and all forms of state are inherently authoritarian. You live under authoritarianism right now…
What matters is who is doing the authoritarianism. China has figured this out and I find their political model to be favourable.
China well known for state capitalism. Lack of basic human rights, genocides, and so on?
Dude. You know that in china regular person have almost sero power of what’s going on?
You cannot call a country free and rulled by the people, when there are laogai, hundreds or more of them.
Also china is closed ally of north Korea, totalitarian regime, with small rulling class and starving people.
China is just better in capitalism than neoliberal countries, but this is not make it great.
lol genocide? Don’t tell me you fell for Uyghur “genocide” propaganda in 2026… You got some work to do still my friend.
Lack of human rights, where everyone gets a home, free healthcare, education, affordable healthy food, and nobody dies in the street. Even “vagrants” that are unemployed are taken care of.
Compared to America…
You will literally never see the above image in China. I bet if told you this was China and these were Uyghur Muslims you would outraged.
People of China absolutely have power. Corporations are required to have 5 year plans that provably better the country and its citizens. Corporations even have credit scores to keep them in check, while America only subjects its citizens to a similar system.
In America you are free to die. That’s it.
China good because USA is collapsing?
Nice whataboutism.
Of course let’s ignore laogai, tianamen massacre, lack of basic freedoms, lack of free media and press, tack of basic democracy.
Also we can talk about working conditions, but please don’t do whataboutism again. There are plenty of inside videos and articles like this one https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract
Of course our anti freedom supporters of state capitalism and rulling class will pretend that one party Central government and rilling class is a good thing because neoliberal country like USA is turning into shit.
Btw.maybe you can compare working condition of state capitalist china to way more socialist country like Norway or Sweden?
China? Genocides? Even the US-funded rubes pushing that narrative have given up. How many Chinese people living in China are you friends with?
Like tiananmen never happened, there is no rulling class in china, working conditions are not way worst than in the EU and citizens can choose who is in power…
Dude, state capitalism, and country controlled by rulling class is the same shit as other types of capitalism and authoritarism, because you have no power.