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Withesplaining?
You believe me if I tell you I checked twice before saving the image? 🥲
No judgment here 😁 I just like to tease 😋
Then help us, explain to us what’s going on in Iran?
Iran right now is under right wing religious regime. That’s the fact. What do we know about the revolution, what in your opinion will change, and why?
What, you don’t have any Iranian comrades? I just had a meeting with an Iranian organizer last night. We didn’t discuss the events in Iran, we are working on a local campaign, but ill def hit him up and get his opinions.
What are you doing?
And just because something is “a fact,” doesn’t mean that deeper considerations can’t to be made in order to fully understand a situation, so that we can figure out the best course of action. If you’re not really involved in real life political organizing, and you’re used to dealing with TV news opinions, or if you are trying to mislead people, then gross abstraction and polemics might be all you need.
The point is some people do quite a bit more than that. Maybe you’re making political calculations within your cadre somewhere but it sure doesn’t seem like it. Your comment is a very surface-level statement and the idea that it negates, “talk to Iranian people” demonstrates your approach to politics
Do you talk down to everyone? What an insufferable attitude!
What, you don’t have any Iranian comrades?
There are a lot of people in the internet saying that they are from there. But I don’t know. That’s why i like to collect opinions from many people. I know “in person” people that are from Iran, and most of them hated the regime, they hated that Iran was used by other authoritarian regime from Russia. But there are other people, that i don’t know, and might have different opinions. Especially, that Iran is in not a good place right now. Choosing between east and west empires, either Russia and China or USA, UK etc, is a pretty shitty situation. I know people that emigrates do UE, so they don’t want to choose between living in a middle east country that is vassal to either Russia of USA (especially that both are right wing countries, russia already authoritarian and situation in USA it is what it is). But as i said, there are other people with different opinions on this topic.
If you’re not really involved in real life political organizing
Instead of whataboutism and ad personam, can you share some arguments? That would be nice.
Your comment is a very surface-level statement and the idea that it negates, “talk to Iranian people” demonstrates your approach to politics
Again, why so many ad personam? I would like to know opinion of other people. I know that it hard for someone to share what they thing because they are on a high horse, and pretending to be smart, but that’s life.
Lol. I haven’t asked my comrade about it, I’ll let you know what he says.
I’m not attacking your character, I’m telling you my personal observation. This is not a debate, or a logic 101 exercise. If you want to engage with the subject, you have to engage directly, through the perspectives of actual people, without immediately referring to a list of logical fallacies made up by a society based on slavery. Demonstrate you are capable of stringing two arguments together in a rational manner, instead of one dimensionally not picking the better arguments of internet strangers. Logic isnt made real by its reference to some abstract ancient category of language, it is made real in the lives of actual people. Watching you cut perspectives out of your reasoning says a lot about how serious you are.
As for acting smart I didn’t pull out some ancient logical fallacies. Maybe lecture me on logos some more haha. Or maybe somebody actually knows more than you in this one little area! Is that so wrong and hard to believe? My horse ain’t high buddy, my whole point is for you to get down in the muck and difficulty of real conditions, so that maybe you learn something real instead of repeating vague abstractions that, by your own admission, you dont even remotely understand. Your tone doesn’t come off as someone who is looking for information.
But I’ll get back to you with something, to hold up my end of the deal. I honestly dont try to make assumptions about a situation, fog of war is real and dangerous.
Edit: Here is a start. Honestly with internet shut down, we can’t know what is happening. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601137152
you have to engage directly, through the perspectives of actual people,
If someone is posting this kind of confusing meme, i think that, that person has some opinion and knowledge of what’s going on. Especially, that it’s not fully clear what’s going on there.
That’s why I’m asking. I can stay im my bubble, but i know what are opinions of people that i know.
This is not a debate, or a logic 101 exercise.
It’s not me, who is trying to ride on a high horse, and doing some weird ad personam stuff ;)
Demonstrate you are capable
Once again, if you’re trying to create more strawman arguments just to distract me from my question, it’s a waste of time, I just asked author of the meme “what is your opinion on that subject”. No more straw man arguments, OK?
the better arguments of internet strangers.
I just asked for that argument, dude XD
Again, no more straw man arguments, OK?
Logic isnt, Maybe lecture me, Is that so wrong and hard to believe?
Also, no off topics, OK?
so that maybe you learn something real
Ad personam.
Your tone doesn’t come
Ad personam
And so on and so on.
Sorry buddy, but it’s a waste of time.
Good luck with your life ;)
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Another day, another regime change supported by “progressives”.
And another revolution opposed by “revolutionaries”
I dunno man there doesn’t seem to be the conditions for a self actualising revolution atm and isreal and the usa are undoubtably interfering. I mean the shah prince? the lion and sun flag? really?
Don’t get me wrong, braindead monarchists exist in iran and the diaspora in the same approximate proportion as every where stained by that transgression but this doesn’t seem like it’s going to lead to a government that cares for the people.
I hope I’m wrong but I am distinctly lukewarm on this. The current gov has been pretty effective at preventing organising and using misogyny as a wedge to divide the people.
Yes, it’s very likely there’s strong interference, but I also think that people put entirely too much faith on a rapidly collapsing empire like the USA and entirely too little faith on the people doing shit. I hope their revolution succeeds and then they turn their gifted arms against their wannabe manipulators and do their own thing. It wouldn’t be be the first or last time US interference has spectacularly backfired on them.
What I will say is that the only ones at fault for the revolution, as the corrupt theocrats at the top which have been so spectacularly bad at governing (and being decent human beings), they caused this.
At the end of the day, what some internet randos say on an obscure forum matters not at all. It’s just an excuse for more purity testing of allies.
Yeah fair.
I am not very hopeful personally, and my own opinions are largely relegated to shitting on people who think a king will solve problems and don’t know shit about why the theocracy was seen as a better alternative.
I mean, we do say “No Gods, No Masters” for a reason. :D Fuck the Theocrats and fuck the Monarchists.
Who here is just pro-revolution independent of context? Violence is a tactic, not an end unto itself.
If your revolution is being propped up by fascist state that wants nothing more than to kill a bunch of your fellow citizens and steal your oil, there are some serious open questions about what your revolution seeks to achieve, and for whom.
Every popular movement will have agents of other nations hostile to the current regime acting in it. This isn’t a reason to oppose revolutionary movements, especially ones fighting against theocracies killing their own citizens. What we should be doing is opposing foreign intervention, but ultimately it doesn’t matter what we say online
I’m not saying this should be reflexively opposed. I’m saying that if a movement is accepting help from some of the worst people in the world, that movement deserves a great deal of skepticism.
Desperate people for freedom tend to not have a choice on whose help they accept, I can’t begrudge them that.
Revolutions start from the bottom and dismantle the top. It’s not a revolution if one top is overthrowing another top…
Even if that’s what’s going on in Iran, no, it is in fact a revolution if one top is overthrowing another top as long as there’s enough non-top participation, which there is in Iran. What you’re thinking of is social revolution, which is a subcategory of revolution.
By this logic every US election is a revolution 🤣
how many bottoms have to participate to ensure enough non-top participation?
I mean, you have massive protests all over Iran. I’d say that’s enough.
Nope that’s still not a revolution, that is just regime change.
And thus I refer you back to the original meme.
I got a better one for ya
This is a huge tangent and a bit niche, but this guy kinda reminds me of the UK comic character Rupert Bear. Bit like Paddington, but never became as popular.
This guy was once telling the story of how he came across someone who was dressed almost exactly like Rupert Bear, so the guy thinks he’s doing cosplay and compliments him on the Rupert Bear costume. Except the other guy isn’t dressed up as Rupert Bear, he’s just very posh and dressed like a twat.
So he does not take the compliment kindly. At. All. LOL
there was a legitimate movement and a much more violent co-opting of the moment by mossad.
maybe there’s better options than revolution when destabilizing the government would let the united states install a monarch?
Yea there was definitely no reason for Iranians to ever revolt against a fucking theocracy.
I never said I support the US intervening
you don’t support it but your position facilitates and enables it. a weak Iran is good for israel and the US.
recall everything you ever thought about Libya or Syria. How are those going? I don’t like the iranian government either but they aid Palestine and are standing against the greatest evil in the world.
Then they should try to not be theocratic shitheads. I hear it helps against revolutions
please learn literally anything about how the 20th century went in iran.
EDIT: Nevermind, I don’t care enough to insult you for your thought terminating cliches
you never said it, no. but the material conditions of what are suggesting would have the outcome you are against.
revolution is not black and white, the oppressive power structures hold more weight than we know and will constantly be looking to co-opt a movement for their own desires.
And I wish their revolution the best of luck to avoid those
Ooooh, I didn’t know this template, I love it!
This might not be the first Kyle Hyde template, but this one’s homemade (more like thrown together in five minutes top, as evidenced by the quality).
I edited the post to insert a sharper template, if you’re interested 😊
Well, thank you!
